http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761566888_1/Mental_Illness.html

Of all mental illnesses, Schizophrenia is about the worst, and is the one that Andrea Yates suffered from.

Schizophrenia Link:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552061/Schizophrenia.html

An Exerpt: "A variety of symptoms characterize schizophrenia. The most prominent include symptoms of psychosis—such as delusions and hallucinations—as well as bizarre behavior, strange movements, and disorganized thinking and speech. Many people with schizophrenia do not recognize that their mental functioning is disturbed."

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben

Since the topic has been turned into defending a guy who tried to kill his baby b/c out of a hat is pulled he is mentally ill, yes IQ has something to do with the mentally ill. They all have to take a test. You do know that a guy that is going to kill his child and not know it is wrong can not cook, be left alone, or drive, right?

People tend to defend b/c they love the family, I love the family too, but I am not going to excuse his behavior and defend somebody that knows the difference between right and wrong.

Somebody brought up judging..... If you can go judge free your whole life then God Bless you!!! I am not judging b/c of money or color of skin, I am judging b/c there is a tape of him trying to KILL his baby.

The fact that he had a brain injury at all anytime in his own life will be a role in this case, I can almost assure you. Again, I am not saying that that is an excuse but even people who do not have history of brain injury hire lawyers to try to get them out of trouble be it reducing sentences, or proclaiming that they are mentally ill. Guilt is something that alot of criminals try to hide under the bush.. most people run from it. Some own up to their guilt.. takes all kinds in this world for sure apparently.

I have 4 kids, we as parents raise our children best we can.. hope for the best.. there are going to be trials of all kinds.. but let me ask you this.. IF IT WAS YOUR KID being talked about and judged on here.. no, never mind.. I am praying to God that that never happends to any of us.. and even if you try to imagine what they feel at this moment.. or that moment.. what they know about their own child that we do not know for facts.. just by judging and making our own conclusions, judgements and what we see or hear..

I can grant yall this, the family is suffering more by all of the publicity this has gotten moreso than Michael is.. if he is still in jail.. which I havent heard.. but if he is, I am sure the inmates arent offering him candy and roses persay.. so while he sits there or anywhere else.. its his family that has to endure the media and I think alot of them and that baby! Yes the baby needs advocates but it also has endured enough hell before it can even speak.. right now, I have to agree with who ever said that this has gone on long enough.. and been stretched out as you say on the medical experting parts.. not to step on toes.. but honestly, the boy will be judged one way or another.. by higher superiors.

This coulda happened to anyone.. or been anyones son that did this.. I pray to God that I never have a grandbaby or any family member do such of a thing.. but everyone is their own person and they are the ones who know what they are gonna do or will do.

Enough outta me about this.. I do find it disappointing, heart wrenching and I DO PRAY FOR ALL INVOLVED.. and I do not think that there is a justifiable reason for doing such,.. I will never understand these things that happen regardless how people try to solve it..

She had to know she had some issues and had the feelings before she acted on them. She PPD for over 5 years or so (i am going on memory.
I don't feel sorry for her.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,218445-1,00.html

Wildflower

Wildflower

Betsy, no one has defended him or his actions. No one has said he is definitely mentally ill because we don't know. Neither do you. So, there is no need to get so emotional about it.

Future investigation will settle the question (we hope).

The discussion is about the nature of mental illness and whether mental illness can cause a person to be out of touch with reality. According to scientific research, the answer is "Yes".

Certain types of mental illness cause the person to NOT KNOW they are mentally ill. Some sufferers cycle in and out of awareness. The technical term is "Lack of Insight".

It's a brain disease after all.

I'm done. I've left you some links with information that is there for the taking.

The two links on Andrea Yates are especially eye opening. The prosecutor also weighs in with some surprising views.

It's an introduction to one person's journey from sanity to schizophrenia. BTW, her own doctor had stupidly taken her off her meds just before the killings.

Wildflower

This link goes deeper with information about Andrea Yates' preacher, Michael Woroniecki.

http://www.answers.com/topic/michael-peter-woroniecki

His cruel religious teachings, combined with her mental illness, made for a ticking time bomb.

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben

But relates somewhat to what the topic has branched off too.

Police have described George David Edenfield as mentally slow, but not retarded and capable of understanding right from wrong.

I have known someone for years that I came to realise later on was mildly schizophrenic. He heard hostile voices . . . not constantly, but especially when he was under great stress.

This person held down a job and the whole nine yards, but he did have great difficulty with interactions with people, and had a scary lightening-quick temper. He also considered suicide several times.

When he would tell me about the voices he heard, he never seemed to consider that they weren't real. He never thought he had a problem or wondered if he was ill.

He thought that Satan was after him because he was a prize. He also thought that he had supernatural powers in his younger years, which suggests he suffers from Narcissim also.

He has nightmares on a regular basis.

There are varying degrees of mental illness, and I think this person was on the mild end of the scale, although it doesn't sound that way.

Most of the time, he sounds completely sane and normal. But not always. He is not in this state continuously, but I have known him for over 20 years and have seen him this way many many times.

If he is mild and functioning, then I hate to think of how life is with an extreme schizophenic.

I did speak to his family about him, but got no where. They didn't want to even think about it. The only thing they would admit to, is that they always felt he had a chemical imbalance and was depressed.

He was on Lithium when he was young, but I don't know why it was prescribed except that he used to only take it when he was anxious.

I don't think he is a danger to anyone but himself, but only if life were to get too stressful. If I were to ever suggest to him that he suffers from a mental illness, I think he would be inconsolable and he would feel betrayed.

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben

I came back and added this link in case you wish to remove the post.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/11321257/detail.html

I know I'm a few days late here, but I'm trying to keep on top of things and keep up with ya'll. I've read this entire post. I do not know anything about the person accused of this horrific crime, or about the family involved, nor about the family from which he came, so it matters not to me whether his family is considered "good" or not. I'm not judging because I simply do not know.

I do know that I am SICK of hearing about criminals literally getting away with murder because of so-called mental illness.

Before I get jumped, let me clarify that, yes, I agree that there are people who are actually mentally ill and need our support and prayers. I also believe that the ones who are actually mentally ill often require, and should receive, more care than what is normally provided. This may help both the patient and any others involved in what could turn into a deadly situation.

Now, things like the recent Christopher Barrios murder really P***! me off. This is a simple case of things not being done right the first time there was a problem.

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From an out of county story that makes me sick!!!
But relates somewhat to what the topic has branched off too.
"Police have described George David Edenfield as mentally slow, but not retarded and capable of understanding right from wrong."

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Edited by - taylor50-140 on 03/30/2007 11:57:36 PM

Cherry Blossom

Castrate them all Superstar!! I couldn't agree more with you.  Protect, protect, protect!

Except that you have some dumb a hole mother, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, whoever, that sits by & watches all this abuse happen & they need to be held accountanable too.

Death is the only answer!

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