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Cherry Blossom

USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 :  7:42:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm saying don't blame the parent.

Don't blame the little innocent boy, who's life was forever altered.

Blame the crumb who was not raised right who thought it would be cool to have someone else in as much trouble as he was, so he would not feel all alone in his mess.

(I'm not being mean, but if someone gives my boy that, I blame everyone, but me. While with me he is protected and safe. Out among those who don't care as much he is not.)

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nelly

USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 :  7:51:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our job is parents is to help our children grow up to be wonderful adults. Since very few of us have training in this field, it is an "on the job" learning experience. We make mistakes. That's life. I once read someplace that no matter what we do as parents, we're going to screw up and our kids are going to blame us for it. We do the best we can with what we've got at the time.

Drugs are out there.....so is sex. How our children use it is up to them. We can preach, pray, cry, cajole, punish, lecture, bribe, madate and plead......it WILL NOT keep your children from making mistakes. At some point in your child's life it becomes THEIR decision and not YOUR fault. It's hard to accept but God gave us these kids to raise, not be responsible for their entire lives. They have to accept the consequences when they err in judgement.

I do not know at what age this transfer of power (responsiblity) takes place....but I have seen too many parents beat themselves up for their children's actions. Do the best you can and get over the rest.


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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2006 :  7:56:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cherry, sweetie, I do understand where you are coming from in this... honestly I do. My heart aches and Im sorry hun.

Nelly, I do you o hun. because at some point.. but the law requires us to be legal over their actions until they are of adult age... yes there is joovy and all but peer preasure is worse now by 10 times than when I was in school :(. I see this...

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

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nativelady

USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 :  8:03:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Nelly is right. Whole heartedly right.

All three of my kids have different personalies, different temperaments, and different attitudes. I wouldn't change any of that. BUT I have raised them ALL THE SAME, and LOVED THEM ALL THE SAME.

If and I am saying IF one of kids got into drugs there is NO WAY I could or would blame the person that gave it to them. I would have to blame my child for taking it. It's called Choice. Because mine know it's a mistake. And teaching your children to "Just Say No!" isn't the answer. You have to really explain what DRUGS are to kids. And all the consequences of it. You also have to explain to them that just because it isn't street legal that it can be a drug also. Such as aeresol cans, computer cleaner (that spray stuff) and huffing gas. And let me say this. Yes, even GOOD KIDS go the wrong way, influence often times "blind sides" them. But it's still THEIR choice. Mine know there are NO EXCUSES, NONE! IF they were to get into drugs or alcohol, it's a decision they made. Not what their friends made. Now if they were held down with a gun and tied up and injected and stuck up their noses , that's a different story.

And I hate to say this but Welcome to Blairsville! The biggest Meth town in the North Georgia Mtns!

~Me crazy? Nah, just three teenagers, get back with me in the year 2010, we'll discuss it then.~Go to Top of Page

CaseyDoodleBug

USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 :  8:31:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DoC, I understand your confusion and perhaps I led this topic off target.

My point is this - as much as we want to stop drug abuse by teenagers, if you give the government (including the school board) the right to test students without probable cause, you have opened a can of worms that cannot be closed. As I said earlier, what will be next? It is just too dangerous a step to take, in my opinion.

You also cannot point to the parents as the "cause" of drug abuse. Some kids make stupid decisions, others don't and there is no way to tell which kid will and which won't. RW and I almost broke our arms patting ourselves on the back for being such a "good" parents. My friends came to me for advise on raising children because I had done such a "great" job. Two kids doing great, one entering a "notable" college and the other in high school. Then a few bad decisions were made and my family's life changed completely.

I also understand being angry at the person supplying the drugs. If I could have found any one of the people that supplied my son, I'd have ripped their heart out through their throat without thinking twice. It's a Mommy's right to feel that way - and a sister, brother, etc.

At the end of the day, I believe it comes down to personal responsibility. My son, who is now 26, is lucky to be alive. His story could have ended tragically, like Cherry's brother. Fortunately, he made the decision to turn his life around in time and God helped him through it and sustains him one day at a time.

I even knew the signs to look for - I just didn't think it could happen to my kid.

Sorry for the long tirade, I'm just passionate about these two topics - civil liberties and drug abuse, as you can probably tell.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2006 :  10:14:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cherry, Casey and anyone, I encourage anyone who has a message not refrain in pertaining to this. I will greatfully listen and read wether you want to do so on here or private email because this sooo conserns me.

See God works in several ways.. he really does and its not that I aint will to hear yuns out at all. I thank you Casey for explaining to me thru better because sometimes Im soo slow to understand things and other times to quick to jump the gun on thangs.

Cherry, I think we are put here to witness.. and I hope and pray I say this in the right way where it does not sound rude, offensive to you - but sometimes I believe God can take a tragidy and bring good from it. Persay, witnessing so people can see thangs and wake up... do you understand what I am sayin??? Lord I hope so.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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Cherry Blossom

USA
18932 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2006 :  10:22:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No one responded to my post for over an hour so I deleted them. Too bad they carried a strong message.

I thought perhaps they were too strong or blunt.

Not mean, but very real.

Cherry Blossom
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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/03/2006 :  10:26:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cherry, I didn't realize all that happened with your brother. It's pretty painful for you, I'm sure.
It's got to start with the parents. The kids no matter how well they are brought up will experiment or get wrapped up in the wrong crowd.
I don't think the school should even be discussing it. They should be discussing why the principal of the high school took some honor classes away because there were some kids who couldn't make it to basketball practice on time. Bad choices, again!!


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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 :  10:31:36 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cherry, I am so sorry, I was gone to PCMs to check on her and have a lil visit. You know Id read it and most likely responded.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2006 :  06:10:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not that someone would have to explain why there weren't explaining, but don't you think if it was such a good message, it should have been left on there?
People do have lives outside of B'ville.com and can't always post when you would like them too. We need a lot of round tuits. We'll get around to it!


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gunnerMark19

USA
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Posted - 03/04/2006 :  07:06:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have to admit, sometimes I may go 12-24 hours, or longer, without looking at blairsville.com. I hope that doesn't make me a bad person. I would have liked to read it tho.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2006 :  08:28:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mark, ever how often you read friend, Im glad you are here. No youre not a bad person. :)

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

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nativelady

USA
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Posted - 03/04/2006 :  08:49:40 AM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Cherry, I read your post with tears. I did. It was a very sad thing that you and your family and his son has had to endure. Something I can't even comprehend. I would hope you would re-post it for others to read again. It was a strong message for everyone out there. And from what I understood it was a message saying "Even bad things happen to good people!" And I know from just what I have seen in drug users and abusers, it's not the low class of people we need to watch but the higher class who have the money to supply the goods and even to hand out samples for that "first high" that we have to watch for. We have adults here in this county who make the world look all full of luxury because of where drugs got them (from the money of it, not the use) A true dealer normally doesn't use. They sell because 9 times out of 10, you can ask a dealer if he uses and his answer will be "Noooooo, that stuff will kill you!" I've asked many detainees that we use to use in county facilites who were in for repeat offenses of this and they each would say it was to make life better for their family with the money they were making. The money became an addiciton and as long as the supply was there, the addiction became so strong they had no choice but to keep going back and spending it all to the dealer.(seller) These dealers usually even have another home they do this in. They keep it away from their family. So you see it's an "Average Jo" type that we often times don't look at that is involved in these teenagers lives. I have seen several and when in the midst I had to quietly walk away and say "Well it was nice meeting you again!" and ran like crazy cause I knew what was going down! The one theory that most people from Blairsville have is they believe there aren't any drugs up here. I mean the "hard stuff" but its anywhere you want it. And sad but true the older teens and younger adults know just where to get it for you or whoever wants it.

But I still believe the testing should be done only through parental concent. Not at the discretion of the school officials. We as parents are going to have to make a stand for our kids. If we don't then No Body else will!

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/04/2006 :  4:01:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do not believe it should be done. I believe it to be illegal.

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Cherry Blossom

USA
18932 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  10:52:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two-hour search fails to find drugs at Fannin County High School
No drugs were found in a lockdown of about two hours Tuesday as law enforcement officers with dogs searched Fannin County High School. See the full story in the March 3 edition of The News Observer.

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Food4Thought

USA
59 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  12:04:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My understanding is that the school will try to get grants to cover the cost of the drug testing. I have no problem with random testing. Each school has a handbook listing the rules and regulations and drugs are not allowed. It is random so that nobody knows in advance to cover themselves. The only ones that will be against it are the ones guilty of doing drugs. There is such a drug problem in our school system anything that will help stop the children from doing them is ok with me. I would worry that students would slip my child drugs without his/her knowledge -- it sounds far-fetched but it has happened. It is so funny to me that we are out to hang a principal for what he did (yes, it was not appropriate but didn't physically harm someone) but yet we are totally against random drug testing for something that kills. Yes-- DRUGS DO KILL.Go to Top of Page
coosa creek

USA
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Posted - 03/05/2006 :  12:10:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am not against random drug tasting.

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tybee

USA
311 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  4:27:45 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am posting this for those of you who want some info on drug testing and its legality

The first site is a study which focuses on the effectiveness of drug testing in schools and the conclusion is that it is effective at a fairly high level. This is a 4 page report and the last 2 pages give the essence.

http://www.datia.org/pdf_resources/IN%20survey.PDF

The second site cite is from the ACLU who take their consistant stance that personal rights must be protected.

Justices to hear arguments in landmark ACLU challenge to Mandatory School Drug Testing (03/18/2002)
http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/testing/10665prs20020318.html

There is a middle ground between test everyone and not to test but it is slow in being found. The use of testing as an attachment will not make everyone happy but appears to be the legal key. Testing students who drive to school is a valid safety precaution to protect other students. Testing student athletes can be both for their own health and the fairness of their participation. Both of these seem legal. The key here is that if students are going to participate, and it is voluntary, they must be tested.

Arbitrary selection of students to be tested without due process would cause bad legal problems. A truly random program might be acceeptable.

Random use of dogs also seems OK.

For those of you who really want to dig in this, here is a Google link that will tell more than you ever wanted to know about drug testing in schools and the legality of it.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-01,GGLD:en&q=%22random+drug+testing%22+schools+legality

Happy hunting


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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  5:03:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for all the info, Tybee.

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justamom

USA
313 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  6:18:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My kids think that the kids on the buses should be tested more than the ones that drive?? Do they know something the school board doesn't?

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 03/05/2006 :  6:45:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OOO yes Justamom... they sure do. I say take the drug dog that they use on the premises sometimes on to the buses too!

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

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topaz

USA
3621 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  7:38:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok...I'm lost (which is nothin' new)...

If using drug dogs for random searches is still legal, then why are they not using them more often? Also, wouldn't it be legal too for them to take the dogs onto buses? I would think that a search of school grounds would include any and all vehicles on the property.

And what would random drug testing prove IF the drugs had not been ingested during school hours...say the night before or even a couple days before? I may be wrong, but I've always heard that it takes up to 72 hrs for any drug to leave your system. What is the punishment (if there is any), for having illegal drugs in your system, but not on your person?

God brings men into deep waters not to drown them, but to cleanse them.
(John Hill Aughey,Presbyterian Pastor,1828-1911)

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tybee

USA
311 Posts

Posted - 03/05/2006 :  7:56:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Drug dogs could be a valuable means to locate drugs if they are on school property. Then that can become the way to legally test a student.

I have been checking the use of sniffing dogs on school buses but have not found anything. The limited space might cause problems.

However, students have been moved from a bus into a confined ares in a school for other reasons and this could be used to permit the snifffers to do their work.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/06/2006 :  12:05:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tybee. youre cutely answering these questions. :)

The dogs cost close to 10 grand is what one told me. They are worked more than we know just HERE IN BVILLE not counting the school.. at this price... that dog better have an aerobics teacher and cheif...lol

I am very glad they have the dog or dogs... here. We do need them and they are worth having here.. cept.. I wanna pet the cute thangs and take um home with me..

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

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USAblogger

USA
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Posted - 03/06/2006 :  11:19:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit USAblogger's Homepage  Reply with Quote
My my my.

We've been putting together information on the "Porn Passing Principle" and are getting ready to go live through the blogs... and NOW THIS???

For once (and believe me this is calendar worthy for me) I'm looking forward to contacting the ACLU on this clear violation of constitutional rights.

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