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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 02/23/2006 :  8:44:58 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, the letter was about someone speaking for them when they are capable of speaking for themselves.. it didnt have a CHECK YES OR NO VOTE on it.. never did.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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blue


10 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  2:00:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My point, DOC, was that just as many adults can and do misrepresent things when they have an "agenda" so can kids. The ones who circulated the petition obviously had a goal of getting as many signatures as they could, and I would not be at all surprised if they misrepresented it slightly. That said, I guess it's just not that big a deal, and I am impressed that some of them actually got together and organized it.
FYI, I have kept quiet about this issue with my kids, just asked them if they heard anything about it and did not try to color their opinions one way or another. I certainly did not "intimidate" or "manipulate" them in any way (trust me, if you knew these kids you'd understand.) I really didn't appreciate the insinuation, but if that's your opinion, so be it. Mine has mellowed on this issue with a little time and perspective, and I am willing to look at both sides. You apparently, are having some difficulty with this. Isn't it time to "sow a little love?"

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gunnerMark19

USA
62 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  2:06:09 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an administrators chat room link. I thought someone may be interested in knowing there are varied opinions outside this county on this subject. FYI http://administrators.net/chatboard/topic6833/2.20.06.05.58.44.html

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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  2:31:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hmmm..thanks, Gunner. I thought we went all over the map on the subject, but they had some significant tangents there.

Shadow

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  3:13:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Blue, I move on and just like everyone else who is trying to focus things of the NOW ... This is over as far as I am conserned and has been. I just find it funny that this has went this far.

I worked in a facility where the boss was accused of sexual harrassment, and ya know what.. he was accussed of more than an email and he kept his job... the workplace never stopped talking about it but he never went anywhere until the job for everyone was long gone.
Wether he did it or not, it impacted his practices and work ethics to the point he was scared to be alone with a woman in the same room and made another person stand in when he had to be. He ignored us when we sent office humor around of ANY sort...

I think its just crazy all together that this is still to the point that anyone would twist it to suit their needs and if I was wrong about you, I AM SORRY... If I wasnt wrong, I AM SORRY TOO.

I have more to deal with people I love, trust and needs more attention that a dead story that ended in - HE WAS NOT FIRED!

The sites and news..... its easy for people to cast stones but it takes a very special person to have compassion. A hateful grouch will not get the love that a Joyous good heart caring person will and the more rah rah is done, the worse the rah rah becomes less of anything but wasted time to me personally. Running something in the ground to the point where people say.. WHO KNOWS is no gold medal for anyone - if anything, its hurting better than helping.. so have at this all you want.. theres enough post in here for either or...

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi


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knittygritty


121 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  8:59:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow! I went to the other chatboard where they are discussing this issue and it is really getting heated on there. I can't believe this is happening in our community. It is all so sad!

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samantha_blue


1193 Posts

Posted - 02/24/2006 :  10:24:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Geeesss!! 10 pages of opinions!! And you know what they say about opinions?? Everybody has one!! LOL!

This is a DONE deal, can't we just move on to something else??

Nobody wins here, it can be argued from now to eternity and no one wins! Let's MOVE ON!

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GrayEagle

USA
9966 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  06:12:10 AM  Show Profile  Visit GrayEagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well, if folks would just start not reading the new posts (or at least not responding to them) the topic may just "die" OR Admim could lock the topic. However, I don't think he will do that.

GrayEagle
"Never does the human soul appear so strong as when it foregoes revenge, and dares forgive an injury."
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Food4Thought

USA
59 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  08:01:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unless some "late, great, developing news" regarding this topic arises then this topic should be GONE. We have all made our points and our own minds are made up .... doubtful anyone can give good enough reason to sway us to the other side. If any earth shaking news happens in regard to this issue then maybe we can start it back but as for now...same ol' same ol' stuff.Go to Top of Page
mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  10:07:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"gone"? Why? Can't people that haven't read post on here enjoy the drama? If you don't want to look at it, don't. Don't post & it will be taken to the bottom of the pile. k?

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Eddie


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Posted - 02/25/2006 :  12:29:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been reading all of the comments both pro and con about this issue. While doing so, I have made an effort to remain objective, while some of you clearly have not. Some, I REPEAT, SOME, of you seem to allow cronyism, nepotism, politics, etc., to cloud your objectivity and reason.
There have been many comments about skeletons in others’ closets, such as past crimes, what may be on their computers, questionable ethics or morals, etc. SO WHAT?
The people who some of you are attempting to discredit as troublemakers are NOT entrusted with the education, discipline and behavior of others’ minor children. School principals, teachers, board members and the Superintendent of Schools bear this responsibility as well as to set an example of good character and higher standards to hundreds of kids, not just their own.
Several questions come to mind that I suggest all should ask themselves:
If I owned a private business and discovered that one of my employees was using my computer at my place of business on my time to send nude or pornographic photos to other employees of mine at my expense also, would I approve or consider this merely normal behavior? Is it okay since it was a man doing this as opposed to a woman? Some seem to think so. Remember, if you approve it, you also encourage it. Also remember that all school employees are paid with tax dollars. They are, in fact, your employees even though they may choose to ignore that fact. How about if you had a caregiver, babysitter, or nanny in your home watching your kids and you discovered this activity, would you not be concerned? Is it not generally considered that the most precious things in this life are our children? As such, do they not deserve better examples of leadership. Personally, I contend that the actions, or the lack of action, of the School Board and the School Superintendent are more damaging than that of the Principal in the long run. Yet, here again, some of you choose to attack the messenger rather than to objectively consider the message.
Mr. Carter did no wrong here: someone else did. Yet Mr. Cooper and some of you others feel compelled to chastise him and attempt to destroy his credibility simply because he spoke up about someone who did make, at the very least, an error in judgment. I know Mr. & Mrs. James Carter personally and they are good, well-intentioned, and intelligent Christian people. Thankfully, Mr. Carter and a few other concerned citizens had the moral conviction and courage to speak up publicly. They did so with emphasis to call attention to a bad event and to promote improvement rather than to personally attack anyone. Yet some of you are cowardly, hiding behind fake anonymous names on this site, and have chosen to attack this person of courage and conviction. As Gomer Pyle would say, “For shame. For shame.” If any of you wish to establish any credibility whatsoever, step out of the darkness, identify yourselves, and cast your stones publicly. As for me, I’ll stand with James Carter on this one.
One more thought, as is the Norm here in this dictatorship, a few weeks ago this occurrence was minimized as simply a joke amongst friends. However this week it seems to require virtually two full pages to condemn those who did no wrong in a feeble effort to shift the focus from the real matter at hand. There is something sick and terribly wrong with this and admit it or not, you all know it.

Eddie

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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  12:48:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Remember, if you approve it, you also encourage it.

I don't recall any person here or anywhere else stating that they approved of the principal's actions. Actually, I think it was quite emphatic that they did not. The debate was instead over whether the school board meted out an appropriate enough punishment.

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Also remember that all school employees are paid with tax dollars. They are, in fact, your employees even though they may choose to ignore that fact.

No they are not. I get particularly aggravated by this attitude. That's the kind of mindset that makes people think they can yell at police officers "I pay your salary!" or tell government clerks "I'll going to get you fired!" when said government employee is merely doing their job. The elected officials are our employees. They're the ones who are hired and fired by the populace during elections.

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Personally, I contend that the actions, or the lack of action, of the School Board and the School Superintendent are more damaging than that of the Principal in the long run.

And now you're at the crux of the matter. Those that disagreed with the actions of the superintendent and the school board in this matter can make their position felt by their vote in the next election. Those that agreed will do the same. Then finally, based on that and other issues regarding education, the will of the citizens of this county will be revealed.


Shadow

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tybee

USA
311 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  1:52:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Shadow

Good point about who are hired by the public and who are employed by the elected people. The GA state laws make it clear that the BOE which is elected is responsible for the hiring and firing of employees, including teachers and administrators, to conduct the educational process. They, the BOE, are entrusted with the education monies of Union county and their necks are on the line.

The thought has occured to me that much of this tempest may be an undisclosed movement to replace the BOE with a conservative Christian aligned slate.

Is Mr. Carter running for something?

The furor is disproportionate to the issue which has been settled by the BOE. They essentially fined the principal $1500+ for his judgment lapse.

Time will tell about the political push.

Tybee

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hrspowr

USA
161 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  3:15:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

The thought has occured to me that much of this tempest may be an undercover movement to replace the BOE with a conservative Christian aligned slate. Is Mr. Carter running for something? The furor is disproportionate to the issue which has been settled by the BOE. They essentially fined the principal $1500+ for his judgment lapse.

Time will tell about the political push.

Tybee


So you think it's all a conspiracy theory involving local Christians now? Or am I just misreading your post?

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  4:10:46 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yall had fun with this today? Bless... Shadow.. I like your reply and Christians werent brought into it untill someone wanted to throw stones.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  4:14:33 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tybee, your post makes sence.. Good job therehttp://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/sonygirrrl/smiley1800x600.jpg

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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tybee

USA
311 Posts

Posted - 02/25/2006 :  4:39:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hrspowr

"Conspiracy theory" is a reach. My words stands for themselves.

My reflection was about the focus of unnamed people who were repeated attacking the principal on an issue which had been settled by a legally constituted, elected public board, the BOE.

If you know something that I don't know, bring in out into the open and let the sunshine of public observation and opinion help bring clarity to it.

Tybee

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  09:01:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am glad that this topic has settled down.

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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  09:09:47 AM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's better to let sleeping dogs lie.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  09:16:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, in this topic as well as others :)

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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Social change

USA
274 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  10:23:39 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Praetorian might expect a "thank you" from the principal for showing up and taking the heat off him for his indescretions.

Just a thought

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  11:13:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is exactly what I thought but was afraid to say it. Praetorian sure had a tough day yesterday. I hope that he comes back, I enjoyed his posts.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  11:39:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
An acknowledgement of the "i'm sorrys" too would be something to think about too!


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tybee

USA
311 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  11:42:51 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually the "heat" on "the principal" was off on 02/25/06 and SC's son-in-law did not pop up until 03/01/06.

There is no rational connection between the two.

Tybee

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2006 :  12:37:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are right tybee.

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