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shucks


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  2:15:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is a slow day and I just saw this in my notes for future forums.

Can anyone give one logical reason why students who attend UC schools have to pay to attend a sporting event? It is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Actually, I do not believe students from opposing schools have to pay.

Why not just issue a student I.D card and charge a nominal fee of say, $2.50 that will get you into all sporting events for the school year?

Just how much of this ticket money ever makes it back to the team? Surely it cannot be used for uniforms and such as the school should bear 100% of all the expenses for a student athlete including a real health policy instead of the "mickey mouse"coverage now in place and field upkeep.

Think about it, give me a good reason why students should have to pay to support their school team?

Shucks

uct

United States
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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  7:32:42 PM  Show Profile  Visit uct's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There are expenses for any athletic event .Football is usually the bigest money-maker for most schools, in fact it usually carries the other sports. expenses are 1 referees 2 power 3 security 4 travel 5 uniforms 6 equipment How would you propose to pay for these expenses?

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shucks


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Posted - 01/17/2011 :  8:48:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UCT, if Union County want's to have a football team,or any other sport, them let the school pay all the fees.It is a school sponsored event. so let the school pay. I am one of the most avid sports fans, football in particular, and I have been around this sport from playing in high school and college to coaching and scouting. As a matter of fact I scouted a player from Union last season.

I think if you research, most of the school programs do not charge students for tickets, the school supports the team.

Now back to my original question, I never said not to charge for admission, I stated why did the school charge student's for admission? Yes, all but the students should pay. After going to UCHS football games I think there are enough adults attending to pay the fee's that the school fails to pay in non support of their athletic programs.

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Woof

USA
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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  12:14:17 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Got me thinking Shucks - will need more time but what I remember:

Taught High School early 80's (Savannah High) - I mostly remember strong parent/student groups. Examples were Band Parents, Booster Parents (all sports), etc. I also remember students working for donations - do NOT remember paying fees - Parents/non-sports students sold popcorn, etc. to earn $$ for school. Cheerleaders took care of their own expenses by working for it - i.e., like our Union County Cheerleaders at squre. Maybe most/some parents would rather pay a small entrance fee rather than selling items for support. Never remember entrance fees so I will need more thinking time. Woofs

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ShadowMan

USA
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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  12:27:25 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
For us it may be one of those "that's the way it's always been done" kind of things. Students had to pay even back when I was in school. That was one of the great benefits of being in the band was getting to go to every game and not having to pay to go see it. Pep/jazz band had the same benfits in basketball season. I'm trying to remember exactly, but it seems like that was nearly thirty years ago. And they're still charging today.

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shucks


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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  1:37:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A long time ago, but I never had to pay a cent to get into any sporting event.

Students should not have to pay to get into any athletic event in high school. And yes, I despise fundraisers also. A fundraiser is just an excuse to take money from kids, the company keep all the money and give out a few trinkets as prizes as they sell their overpriced items.Just think of how much more money the band, cheerleaders and other organizations would make,if the parents just made a capital donation instead of most of the funds going to some company ripping of the kids.

A better solution would be to sell student ID cards, say for $2.50 for the school year. I see nothing wrong with that princple.

How about corporate sponsorship. When I was in high school, a local petroleum company paid for the field and all expenses thereof. A local suit mfg company furnished us with traveling uniforms. A pants factory paid for all the umpires, security and incidental expenses. A local bakery took care of the concession stand and all expenses. A local bank paid for the Southeastern Stages busses to go to games.

There is no logical reason students should have to pay to get in. As I said if the school wants to have athletic teams then the school should foot the "total" bill.

If Union expects to "play with the better teams" then the school should get with the "better schools" program as it pertains to athletics.

Nothing to do with academics, just an injustice to the students.

Shucks

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hog wild

United States
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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  1:38:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit hog wild's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you played football in my HS 35 years ago you were treated like royalty by the school and the community. We brought out 3,000 people at $3 a head to each of our 5 home games. I never remember paying for anything. The boosters were great back than.

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uct

United States
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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  7:26:33 PM  Show Profile  Visit uct's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If Union expects to "play with the better teams" then the school should get with the "better schools" program as it pertains to athletics Most if not all of the better teams not only charge, they also sell season tickets for 50-100 dollars paid up front with total sell-out for home games. I believe SINGLE ticket prices are set by the GHSAA,AT LEAST THAT IS THE CASE FOR MOST STATES If you expect the school to fund 100% of the program, get ready for a very large tax increase for everyone[

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shucks


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Posted - 01/18/2011 :  9:20:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UCT, I really would not care if season tickets were $1000. You are missing the entire discourse. My statement is merely that students should not have to pay to get in any athletic event. Period.

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shucks


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Posted - 01/19/2011 :  08:35:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UCT, you stated you thought that ticket prices were set by the GHSA in some states. This is definately not he case in GA. Schools set their own prices.

Last season I had the honor of going to a "Ring of Honor" ceremony in my home town. Tickets for adults are $12.00 single ticket at the gate.

Normally the team plays 8 homes games and stadium seats about 9,000 both sides. Students with ID pay zilch, even opposing students. Adults can purchase a season ticket for $ 85 dollars and down depending on seat location. The stadium is always full, with standing room only. So, if 50% are students getting in free, then we have approximately $5400 per game or $43,000 in gate receipts. So, the argument the school has to charge students and have all kind of fundraisers is ludicrous.The school should foot the bill and the game itself should pay any "incidentals". there is enough money to support the so called non revenue producing sports of which it should.

I am using football as a analogy because it is the biggest revenue producing sport. Football is a business, starting in high school, college and going thru to the NFL.It is referred to as a game. It is but is a money producing game. It may come as a shock to some, but even high school football players get paid.Yes, get paid. Even as far back as I go, many time in high school and college, when you walked of the field, a booster member shook your hand and lo and behold a 10 or 20 was in your hand. Right? not necessarily, but for a kid growing up in a low income family or bad economy it was a God send.

I stand by my statment that kids should not have to pay to get in, and UCT it would not increase your taxes one iota. If it did, there would be other unresolved.

Shucks

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Woof

USA
236 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2011 :  12:04:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very interesting dialogue - better shut up as I am sitting here in Avalanche's "cheerleading" sweater that "I" paid $90.00 for in 1990 and saw review on Chinese "Tiger-Mom"of raising childing. Go for it guys. :0) PS Surprised at Shadowman's experiences

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uct

United States
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Posted - 01/26/2011 :  6:25:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit uct's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Shucks, You make some very valid points however most stadiums do not seat anywhere near what your school does.I would guess less than 2000 combined All the High Schools that I have knowledge take the gate receits pay expenses and send 50% of the remaining money to the opponet school.I do not know why a school would have 8 home games. The GHSAA does set the prices for the playoffs and everyone pays.

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uct

United States
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Posted - 01/26/2011 :  7:58:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit uct's Homepage  Reply with Quote
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-07-13/story/high_school_football_makes_money_but_not_enough[url] This might shed some light on the discussion

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shucks


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Posted - 01/27/2011 :  08:19:20 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
UCT, thanks for your continued interest. I fully realize that high school football games have a certain amount of expense. I also know that gate receipts are a big part of the income. I disagree that the GHAA sets the prices however. If that were so then how can different schools have different ticket prices. You mentioned playofffs, then the GHAA may set those prices since it generally involves different teams and out of region teams.

Each school has to make their own decision about their athletic programs. Some schools rank academics higher, some rank athletics higher but most try to reach a happy medium.

How the school system elects to fund their athletic program is entirely up to them and just how good od teams do they want. I know of some schools that require the footballs players to purchase their on shoes. Now that is a good indicator of what a school thinks about it's football team. You mentioned 8 home games, when and where I played high school football , football was divided into 3 classes, A,B,C. Regions were assigned within those classes. Within 10 miles of where I played there were 15 schools so most games were like home games.As a little side note, within a 15 mile radius of Miami, Fla there are 21, 5A teams, so it is a mad scramble to schedule. Harris County Texas(Houston) has enough 5A schools and players with FBS talent to put 5 teams on the field in DIV 1. That is a lot of football talent.

After all this rhetoric, the basic premise is the same: The school system should fund the expenses of the athletic teams--but students should NOT have to pay for a ticket to support their team!!!!

UCT, you may be a student, and if so, I really appreciate this discourse with you. I hope it get's you to thinking about athletic teams and cost to students.

Shucks

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shucks


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Posted - 08/18/2011 :  1:07:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Once again, I rail at the school system for charging a UC school student to attend a sporting event for their school. It is an asinine and archaic practice. NO student should ever have to buy a ticket.

I know people will post about the expense of athletics. My feelings are the school system should make it a policy not to charge. There is adequate money to support the teams from outside sources. If you are going to play, let the school pay!

If you have to charge students admission to defray of the cost of athletics, then there is something wrong somewhere. Don't rest the cost on the students shoulders.

Shucks


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