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shucks


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Posted - 10/22/2007 :  09:15:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had the opportunity to talk to several seniors this weekend. The subject came up about the drop out rate at the high school.

I asked one of the students how many seniors are there in school this year. He said about 220. I asked how many would graduate, he said about 135. I was shocked and asked him why so many not graduating. He stated they were failing and just did not want to do the work.

Now these figures and facts may not be correct. Does anyone know just what the drop out rate is?

If you have yearbooks for the last four years, count the incoming freshmen, track them threw high school and find out how many actually made it from the 9th to 12th. The figure will be slightly flawed because of incoming and attrition, but you will get a pretty good idea.

Just interested.

Shucks

HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 10/22/2007 :  09:59:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Are you referring to drop-outs totally, or those students who prefer night school?


 

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GeorgiaGal

USA
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Posted - 10/22/2007 :  11:50:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Oh good grief!  I have never heard of such!!!  What has happened to our youth when they don't want to do school work.  They really need to buckle down and study and get more into and interested in their studies.  


I know alot has changed in high schools, and in schools in general, since I graduated 22 years ago, but something just ain't right.

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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 10/22/2007 :  12:38:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

There could be several reasons for dropping out.


My son started in the UC school system in Pre-K and went until 6 weeks from 12th grade graduation and dropped out for night school. There is too much (I hate this word) drama and crap that was going on, so he finished at night school, got his diploma and is making really good decisions for himself.


 


 

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xy

USA
174 Posts

Posted - 10/22/2007 :  1:13:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
RE: " What has happened to our youth when they don't want to do school work."

Has youth ever wanted to do homework?
Are parents seeing that they do their homework?
Who is in charge?
What are the priorities?


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babyloo

USA
217 Posts

Posted - 10/22/2007 :  2:13:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Georgia has a different way of counting dropouts than other states.  It doesn't take into account factors many other states do.  In other words, Georgia winds up with an extremely high dropout rate. This might sound like it doesn't make sense, but hey, consider what some of the things GA does.

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shucks


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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  10:02:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Babyloo, one of the driving motivations in my life is education. In my travels I see way to many kids on street corners, some stuck in low paying factory jobs, a lot depend on parents for support. I constantly preach to my grandkids the importance of a college degree and how much more money they will earn because of it.

I am not surprised at anything states do in the way of education. I am having another conference at school about a problem. Problem is letting students grade each others papers. You can envision the problem here.

On the last conference I requested, a certain male teacher, on the 3rd day of school, sat across from me and said" based on the first two papers" I do not see any hope for your+++++++! I thought about that for 1 minute and blasted him in front of the principal. The teacher got up and walked out wherupon I said "good riddence".

I have become more and more discouraged with the way things are going at school, both Middle and High and the things going on with respect to teaching ( and other things) that we made the decision to place the kids ia a private school or home school. That final decision has not be made as of yet.

I guess the drop out rate triggered it and my discussions with the seniors and how they percieve the school.

It must be the rain, I am on my soap box today.

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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  10:30:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

It's hard to get your child geared up and interested in school with the attitude of a teacher like that.


What is sad is that our teachers really cared when we were in school.


Teachers today burn out to fast and just show up for a paycheck. Middle school was horrible.


This is not towards you Shucks, just folks in general. I feel that if teachers received more respect from parents and students their attitudes would be different. But parents don't care, kids don't care and the school is only interested in the Alpha students.


Lilred's teaacher is the preacher's wife and if you don't like the way she does then you don't have to send your kid's there. Her rules are set and they don't bend. She is one of the best people my daughter can have in her life. Lilred now basis her decisions on clothes and other things by asking herself 'Would Mrs. Mizelle approve of this".


Lilred is home sick today and even though she could have laid around, she ask me to bring her bookbag to her and call and get her work for her so she could get it finished today. This from a child who didn't care if she ever did her work or not. She is held accountable for her work and there is no gray area. She knows what is expected of her and she does it. Most of you have never met here and don't realize that this is quite an accomplishment for her. She also knows that if she doesn't do good this year, that next year she will be put back in public school which she hates with a passion. She has been made to understand that I will not pay to send her to a good school for her to goof off.


Taking her out of the public school system was one of the best decisions I have ever made.


 


 

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babyloo

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  11:36:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I don't understand why some people go into education in the first place.  They profess they don't like children and consider them dumb.  I knew teachers like this.  It seemed they have a personal vendetta against some kids who have learning problems--wake up, we all have learning problems.  I believe a good teacher tries to move a kid from Point A to Point B to use a trite example.  It is a pretty sad commentary on public education that children like Lil Red hates it; there are others, I know. 


It seems the best part of going to school has been taken away.  I bet we all remember the field trips better than we do our math classes.  The point I am trying to make is the change in attitude toward school.  Where it once was a fun place to go has been destroyed by testing, ridiculous attitudes of some people that the children are hoodlums and idiots, and by an upper level administration with no leadership skills.

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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  1:18:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I vote babyloo and shucks for the schoolboard.

That is good for me cause I usually don't like change, but our school system is not where it should be. I am paying tax dollars to support the problems and private school fees.

It's a sad, sad shame.


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justamom

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  1:39:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I feel there is an "us against them" attitude sometimes, not the best environment for learning. Some kids get away with the dress code rules, some don't. Some get in trouble for some issues while others don't for the same thing. I think it confuses some of the students and causes resentment against those that enforce the rules for some and not others. I tell mine to just blend in and get through without causing any problems and not to make a big deal about the ones that get away with anything! I know all of you parents like myself have used the excuse " Life's not fair".

If a teacher gives up on a student after 2 tests it's no wonder they drop out, one of mine dropped an AP credit honors english in 12th grade and NOBODY asked why, NOBODY called me and said your child wants to drop a college credit AP class and take regular English, it was done, no questions asked, I would have never known. That is a problem. My suggestion is for parents just to keep on staying involved with your students and what is happening, don't give up or put up with teachers that are there because they are just collecting a paycheck, make them accountable for teaching. Home schooling or private schools are a great option and if they work for you guys then go for it!

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xy

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  2:30:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sadly, nothing in public education will surprise me anymore either.

A friend told me last year that her daughter observed classmates making adjustments as they graded each others' papers.


Are the inmates taking over the asylum?


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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  2:32:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know, I just never liked that having the class grade each other's papers.

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  2:45:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Students grading the papers? Well, that's a new one to me.

What if they get their best friend's paper to grade? Or a person they don't like?

Any worries there?

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
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xy

USA
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Posted - 10/23/2007 :  2:58:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Students grading the papers? Well, that's a new one to me.

What if they get their best friend's paper to grade? Or a person they don't like?

Any worries there?

the response would probably be that these are "good kids from good families"


Wildflower

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But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
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babyloo

USA
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Posted - 10/24/2007 :  08:40:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think it is a standard practice for students to grade each other's papers.  I know it happened when my child was in the middle school.  I wonder if these papers are exercises or major tests?!?  In some ways, I had just as soon this happen as a teacher never grading the work, and I can name one in the high school who does that!!  Kids will have tons of papers to write and hand in.  They are never graded in a timely manner so they don't know if they are doing the right thing or not.  At least, if the kids are grading a paper in class, there is a little bit of review and I hope learning going on.  If you never get back a paper, then you never know if what you are doing is right or not.  I could go on and on about this subject and this particular teacher in the high school--it is an unacceptable situation from my point of view. And just to balance out the equation, there is one in the middle school also who has to take mean pills every hour on the hour--just a hateful, hateful person.

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shucks


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Posted - 10/24/2007 :  09:01:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Babyloo, Let me guess!!!!!!

The grading of papers is very important. Getting papers graded days or weeks later clouds the students progress and makes it difficult to know where your student is in relation to studies.

I have known teachers who do not grade papers, the students grade each other. That is a grading system fraught with problems, but it still goes on, the subject of a recent meeting.

I guess at my age I just have lost touch with the modern education system. It was not like this when I was in school. (My grandkids remind me about this all the time). My rebuttal is, it doesn't matter, right is always right, you go to school to learn and the rules have not changed, just the Administration of these rules.

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xy

USA
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Posted - 10/24/2007 :  09:33:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
responding to:

". . . it doesn't matter, right is always right, you go to school to learn and the rules have not changed, just the Administration of these rules.

Shucks "


Amen, brother !

I'm sure teachers have way too much paper work, reporting, etc. to do. Is the entire system failing our children? What is the answer?
Will these kids be prepared to be successful in the workplace? They are tomorrow's adults, workforce, decision-makers. Perhaps each generation feels this way.

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 10/24/2007 :  09:41:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still can't believe I've never heard of student's grading papers!

Our teachers not only used to grade our papers, but we got them back the next day!

Wildflower

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student


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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  6:01:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok first off, anyone who posts on here and downs our teacher and our school system needs to get their facts straight. first off, their are nowhere NEAR 220 seniors in our school. At the end of my sophomore year there were only 186, and because the dropout age is 16 with parental consent, that number has definately decreased. therefore, the dropout rate is not as high as you seem to want it to be.

second.....Are parents seeing that they do their homework?
Who is in charge?
What are the priorities?

Yes, e have prorities than you very much, parents do a much better job than you would like to think, so yet again, get your facts
straight.

Next...."Teachers today burn out to fast and just show up for a paycheck."

How Ignorant can you possibly be? I happen to have know many many teachers, and they do anything BUT what you just said. Teaching is a very noble profession, and your demeaning talk about our teachers is nearly the most asanine thing i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

By the way, "justamom," your child's dropping out of an AP course is their own business. I mean fo God's sake the school doesn't need to call every parent when their kid doesn't want to take a certain class, that's not their responsibility. Take matters into your own hands, my God.

Finally, yes students do sometimes grade each others papers. However, this is usually done with mere multiple choice tests and such, those are trictly right or wrong, no leeway can be given. Plus, a change in an answer can be noticed, people see eraser smears and differences in hand writing.

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babyloo

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  6:27:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
student, it is commendable that you step up to defend your school and teachers. I am sure you are an excellent student. Since you are in the trenches, why do you think your classmates drop out? Can you isolate any one thing which triggers other problems?

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xy

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  6:31:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
re:

"second.....Are parents seeing that they do their homework?
Who is in charge?
What are the priorities?

Yes, e have prorities than you very much, parents do a much better job than you would like to think, so yet again, get your facts
straight."


Thank you for your participation in the discussion.

These are questions - not facts.

A parent is the children's first educator and the most influential educating factor in a child's formative years.



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shucks


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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  8:30:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Student, glad you are posting. As xy said, we are only asking questions.

Since you are in school, exactly how may pupils are in school from grades 9 thru 12. How many were in grade 9 when you began school?

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shucks


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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  8:51:55 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For edification, go to www.K12guides.com, log on Blairsville Schools.

The total number of students grade 9 thru 12 Union County High is 726, per this web site.

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xy

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2007 :  11:31:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
maybe this will help:

http://reportcard2006.gaosa.org/k12/

go to union county school system, indicators, drop-out


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shucks


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Posted - 10/29/2007 :  08:34:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
XY. thanks for the link. It has a wealth of information if you dissect it.

Of particular concern to me is the educational level of the Administration of Union County Schools.

1 Administrator has a 5 years Masters degree
15 have 6 years Specialist degrees( whatever that is)

2 have 7 year Doctorates

None have a batchelors degree

Get this, the average salary of the Administration is $86,000 a year.

The teaching staff all have as good or better degrees and have a pathetic $49,000 average salary.

This is $37,000 more per year for the Administration staff and the teachers are doing the work.

Do you see a great disparancy in this? Especially if you read the performance rate of the student body.

Shucks


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