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daughterofconfederate
USA
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 Posted - 08/15/2007 : 09:37:13 AM
Lord have Mercy... at least the sinners are at church..Anne Frank said,
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." I agree!
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 09:43:05 AM
Yep they are, and standing in a garage makes you a car.
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant"
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Betsy
USA
439 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 10:45:55 AM
Daughter he called me and told me while he was at work and it did not kick in until last night..... He is in shock! He knows them both well, just saw Derek the other day. For those who did not know them, he talked to him a few days ago and never would have thought he would do something like this. He has not hung out with them in years, but still saw them around.
Thats why I questioned him being a teacher. A tech adviser has to be at all schools, basically it is an IT job (was our understanding), plus he was to install sercurity cameras. That is how my husband took what he was saying, but maybe he misunderstood.
As for certain families here, I have yet to hear anybody say that those boys need to be punished. I do not care who they are, I want everything and anything done to make this a safe envioment for our kids. Our kids face everyday something they should not have to face and I can not stand it. Sometimes our family devotions break my heart when the kids open up and tell what they faced that day. I will continue to pray the God gives these families so much comfort that they don't know what to do with it all. As for the boys (here is were I sound harsh)I pray that God takes them to their knees so they have nowhere else to turn, but to Him.
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JawJa Gurl
USA
1139 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 11:20:55 AM
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...And Betsy as for drugs bring in private schools I can guarantee they aren't in lilred's school....
I pray they aren't, but I wouldn't be so quick to say you'd quarantee it either. You'd be surprised where it is. Edited by - JawJa Gurl on 08/15/2007 11:22:08 AM |
HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 11:29:48 AM
You could be right JawJa but let me give you a little background:30 kids max in her school, majority below 3rd grade Super nosey preachers wife/teacher bookbag searches along with lunchboxes 0 tolerance paddlings
lilred is a whole safer here than in the UC system, mentally and physically.
I will take my chances. "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant" |
JawJa Gurl
USA
1139 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 11:40:26 AM
Oh, I'm not sayin I don't believe you, I'm just sayin it's even in the places we trust most. I have experience with the school and know the curriculum, etc. well so I don't blame you for wantin the kids there instead of the system. 
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dirtdigger
USA
1 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 11:41:25 AM
Edited by - dirtdigger on 08/15/2007 1:24:20 PM |
Betsy
USA
439 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 12:20:02 PM
Well as somebody said this is the begining. Somebody was waiting for the drugs, others are involved, and all we can do is pray that all are brought to justice.
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Admin
USA
1484 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 1:05:54 PM
A post was removed.
This topic is specifically about the verified facts and circumstances about the two men arrested. As they are only accused of criminal activity and not convicted (innocent until proven guilty in America), it is highly inappropriate to speculate about tenuous connections between these individuals' circumstances and those they are either related to or with whom they have otherwise associated.
This topic is not, nor is this site, for whistleblowing, rumor, or innuendo. Dirtdigger, you've been spreading the same "information" over in the Topix forums. Kindly leave it there. Facts are OK. Unsubstantiated allegations are not. Please read the Usage Policies to see what is allowed on this site.
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samantha_blue
1193 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 1:37:12 PM
I agree with Zircon's points. If this was some outsider that we've never heard of flying drugs to Union County to sell and got caught we'd be all for them being prosicuted to the fullest extent of the law. But, since it's two good ole boys from local families everyone is saying how nice they are and giving excuses for them, even saying awwww it could of been one of my kids........seems like a double standard for sure!
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:04:08 PM
I think they should be as bad examples.I don't think they should receive special treatment. "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant" |
Admin
USA
1484 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:22:42 PM
A post was removed.
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Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:23:05 PM
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If this was some outsider that we've never heard of flying drugs to Union County to sell and got caught, we'd be all for them being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But, since it's two good ole boys from local families, everyone is saying how nice they are and giving excuses for them, even saying awwww it could of been one of my kids........seems like a double standard for sure!
I have noticed this attitude around these parts. I was living in NC when Eric Rudolph was caught. I was shocked to learn how many local people told the newspaper that they would have helped him out while he was in hiding. They all said "We protect our own." 
Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:24:44 PM
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Yep they are, and standing in a garage makes you a car.
That may be the funniest thing you ever said, Honeybee.
Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Gumbee
151 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:40:22 PM
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Dirtdigger, you've been spreading the same "information" over in the Topix forums.
I can't even read the topix site because either my virus/spyware filter or my ISP firewall won't permit access.
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Admin
USA
1484 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 2:48:13 PM
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I can't even read the topix site
Amended accordingly
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Betsy
USA
439 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 3:59:21 PM
I am still trying to figure out who thinks they should not be punished and to the fullest..... Oh well maybe it is the post that have been removed.
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Gumbee
151 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 7:15:59 PM
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I am still trying to figure out who thinks they should not be punished and to the fullest..... Oh well maybe it is the post that have been removed.
Au contraire! They take the rules seriously in Valdosta. Feds don't think much of flying drugs between states sober or stoned, license or no license. Hopefully thats Stephens' final landing.
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Gumbee
151 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 11:37:55 AM
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As for the boys (here is were I sound harsh)I pray that God takes them to their knees so they have nowhere else to turn, but to Him.
Even if God doesn't, the Lowndes County jail is full of big black men who probably already did.
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why
USA
2072 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 11:52:00 AM
"I can't even read the topic site because either my virus/spyware filter or my ISP firewall won't permit access."Excuse my ignorance, what "topic site" are we talking about here?
Thanks,
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mad4martinis
USA
13730 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 12:00:34 PM
I was wondering the same thing Why!! LOL What is a topix??
I know the Sentinal will report this news, but my wonder is if next weeks NGN will have any mention of it.
There was a friend of mine's son arrested one night with his buddy, who's the son of a prominent person in our judicial system. Her son's name was there, but this guy's name wasn't!! It is WHO you know for sure.
"You are the gatekeeper of your own mind, be receptive to those good thoughts" |
samantha_blue
1193 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 12:57:05 PM
I hear they are "out on bond" and back home. That is what a co-worker told us this morning!
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Betsy
USA
439 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 1:04:59 PM
Most people get a bond.... Last bit of freedom for awhile I assume! Maybe they can get theirselves on the right path and help a few people in prison. I know not all will agree, but God can use people in prison. Does not mean they do not deserve anything less then they are going to get, it means that he can use to convicted felons (yes I know innocent till proven guilty) to help others get their lives straight. I would rather hear about that then the other crazy stuff that goes on in there.I hope that something positve (besides drugs off our street) can come out of this.
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RecoveringAttorney
48 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 2:15:04 PM
There is no such thing in America as "presumption of innocence" until the trial starts. Even then it is limited to specific elements and circumstances. If you were presumed innocent you couldn't be arrested.From the moment of arrest until trial, you are presumed guilty and your rights are restricted. In the court of public opinion, you are also presumed guilty just because you were charged - even when the charge is a farce, and often even after you prove your innocence in court. "The only people who ever changed the world were those people just crazy enough to think they could in the first place." |
Admin
USA
1484 Posts
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Posted - 08/16/2007 : 2:22:25 PM
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There is no such thing in America as "presumption of innocence" until the trial starts. Even then it is limited to specific elements and circumstances. If you were presumed innocent you couldn't be arrested.
From the moment of arrest until trial, you are presumed guilty and your rights are restricted. In the court of public opinion, you are also presumed guilty just because you were charged - even when the charge is a farce, and often even after you prove your innocence in court.
"The only people who ever changed the world were those people just crazy enough to think they could in the first place."
Not sure if you're refering to our parenthetical or not, but I believe the phrase that we used and others have picked up is "innocent until proven guilty" which just reminds us all that the burden of proof is on the prosecution - but speaks nothing about any presumptions. The reminder is just to try and fight that court of public opinion and remind people that when they're discussing things, there's still an effort that must be gone through to go from probable cause to convicted.
At the end of the television show CSI - there's a trivia question that asks - which of these is the criminal? It then lists (1) a convicted felon who is now out of jail, (2) the prime suspect they arrested for the crime, and (3) a third person from the show. Which do you think most people pick?
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Two Blairsville men arrest in Valdosta for drugs!
