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paprclip22mom
USA
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 Posted - 08/14/2007 : 7:24:56 PM
Heard about some of the other wrong doings of at least one of these boys while at the school house today. Wasnt rumor either cause the person who told it is in LE. Maybe they shouldnt have been talking but that's what happens in small towns especially when it's prominent or important families. Of course I wont post any of it here but I was saddened to hear about all the wrongdoings.God makes the lightning Bikers make the thunder
Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak .
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mrt
21 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 8:05:47 PM
off tipic??
Dont know how discussing how a person like this came to be employed in our education system is off topic?? But Its not my site and have to respect your editing..even if I dont agree with why it was removed.
I will start a seperate topic about this as requested.
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Gumbee
151 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 8:35:44 PM
They aren't what you think they are. One of the "nice" parents bought the handgun that was stolen from my house. To his credit though, it was returned after he was caught.
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 8:55:59 PM
If I was in a position to get my kid a good job in our 3rd world county I would do it. Anybody would. It's a fact and we all know it.However, I don't think they give you a county/state e-mail address for installing security lights. If that were so then all of the food suppliers, lunchroom ladies and the COKE man would have one. "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant" |
mad4martinis
USA
13730 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 8:58:52 PM
LOL!! true, true Honey Bee! Wasn't he the "Technology" teach? A friend of mine's kid had him & liked him.
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 9:09:31 PM
Who know's, maybe if we had a Wal-Mart they could have supplemented their income working there. Keep the kid's in the county with good job's and all that stuff.
"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant"
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samantha_blue
1193 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 9:37:30 PM
Well, those of you can pitty pat around the situation all you want. Bottom line is............A person employed by Union County School System is caught with drugs, weapons, and cash, and charged with intent to sell, and flew all the way to Sarasota to pick up the drugs. Now if he would have made it to our county and sold it to one of OUR kids I think some people would change their tune about the whole situation. Now, I don't care who he is, his dad is, his 3rd cousin twice removed is etc. etc, but what I do care about is he obviously had drugs, cash, guns with an intent to sell. Which to me, makes him a drug dealer and he should be off the streets!! No one is blaming Tommy Stephens, no one is blaming the school. The guy was caught red-handed! He's to blame for the decision he chose to make. We are all held to certain standards and we are all faced with decisions each day. The man is 30 years old, he knew what he was doing was wrong! I still say we should randomly drug test the faculty and staff at ALL schools, not just Union County. Just as they drug test at other jobs. Matter of fact, most companies that employ more than 25 people do random drug tests.
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nativelady
USA
11126 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 9:49:28 PM
Amen! Sam! And I hope all the teachers names are thrown in the pot with all the other students for the random drug testing. I signed that paper. Lil Man signed his paper and we had a "discussion" and that was that on that. What's good enough for them, is good enough for those who are educating OUR kids every day and spending more hours with them weekly than we are.
I love Phil Nichols to death and the man I know that he is, doesn't make me think any different of him for what his son done. His son was wrong. I watched Phil many years working around him. I know how he is as a person and with his job. I seen him wear his heart on his sleeve for alot of those probationers that came in there. He knew some didn't have a chance while others he knew came from good. And I imagine he is thinking this now...His son came from good.
My kids could be in the paper next week, there isn't a thing I can do about it. There of age except for Lil Man and trust me, the boy has been searched more than any other person I know. Me and a cop had a talk about this. And now that I understand it, I am not too fitful over it anymore. I thought they were singling himout. Not! They were doing what they were told to do. So....I have no problem with anyone testing my child or for that matter for even suspecting; because truthfully, we (the parents) don't always know whats going on. Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies.
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daughterofconfederate
USA
29728 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 9:52:11 PM
Sam, it could be one of mine one of these days.. I pray to GOD that Ive taught them and teach them better.. but it could have been mine who got caught just as easily.
Drugs and ANY kind of crime that comes up in Blairsville, pretty much never goes forgotten or swept under the rug. These boys are in the beginning of being caught.. they will suffer.. dont know why people assume differently.. its not just on our websites.. its not just local news.. this is federal stuff isnt it? I understand completely your outrage.. its not the first SCHOOL EMPLOYEE whose name hit the big time.. it wont be the last I am affraid. :(I dont hate the persons.. I hate the drugs.. Someone else mentioned that if someone could land a plane at night.. without lights.. then they must have known the area.. Someone else asked why they had so much cash and asked if they had landed for another deal? Someone else said that someone they were meeting musta narked um out.. It made sense to me.. however.. THEY GOT CAUGHT BEFORE THEY COULDA..
Whatever intent was.. it didnt make it.. and this is exactly what I said in reply.. Too bad these boys got mixed up in this crap// they didnt make it (thank GOD) Yes, Im glad that they got caught!!!.. whatever stories that are there.. truth or just plain out assumption.. these two got caught.. I hope it changes their lives and makes a better difference for they are still alive and while they are in their 30s, they could still live to be 90.. and do great things.. turn this around and make something more positive with themselves.. and maybe save a bunch of people from going down the same road.. Theres been alot of folks go down the same roads.. maybe not by plane.. and maybe not the same crime.. how many made changes for the good? Hard to give hope when everyone wants to crush ya into the dirt..
JMO of course.. and I dont think everyone should see mine as the only one.. see it for what you want.. and feel.. I hadnt personally heard of the school employees name in many years.. even in school he was not one to cause problems.. The other one always made everyone laugh.. and lots of folks loved/loves him too.. Whatever these fellers got involved in to begin this landing.. I am sorry for.. people get mixed up with the wrong folks.. Anne Frank said,
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." I agree!
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Edited by - daughterofconfederate on 08/14/2007 9:55:19 PM |
mrt
21 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 9:55:39 PM
Like I said...its a question of how someone of this cahracter came to be employed at our schools. How that is not relivant to my neighbors is beyond my simple mind's ability to understand.
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:15:27 PM
MRT I feel sure that on the employment application it did not ask "Do you or have you or do you plan on ever transporting drugs of any nature" Yes or NoFrom what I have heard his character was fine it is his extra-curricular activities that we are having trouble with. You can't judge a book by it's cover. And Betsy as for drugs bring in private schools I can guarantee they aren't in lilred's school. I am not making excuses for these 2 adults, I just don't think the backlash shoudl be towards their extended family. "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant" |
samantha_blue
1193 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:17:49 PM
None of us are immune to this kind of thing. Sure it could have been any of our kids, but does that make this situation right? What if our kids had bought it from him and they got caught with it? Wouldn't you want the person responsible for bringing it to our county and selling it to your child caught?? I would! And truth be known, it's usually the ones that bought it for their own use who get caught, not the dealer. It's rare that we find the source who sold it to them in the first place. I guess I'm just glad that the drugs didn't make it to our county and sold to our kids, I wouldn't care if it was the President who sold it to them, I just care that they are now caught and off the streets for now!Now, on a personal note, I don't think any less of either family! They can't help what was done. As I said before, these were grown men who made a decision. It could be our kids at some point. We just need to pray for both families and for our own. This forum is completely formed by opinions, whether we agree or disagree. Drugs have been in Union County forever and a day, i'm glad that finally some of the ones that are dealing are getting caught. The money they make off drugs, and i know it's ALOT, is dirty money and it needs to be stopped!
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daughterofconfederate
USA
29728 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:26:44 PM
Sam, I pray too.. and I dont want my kids to be in the situation to be able to obtain drugs.. at all. Youre right.. Anne Frank said,
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." I agree!
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shucks
2145 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:27:14 PM
Well,well,well!! It looks like these two "upstanding" citizens got caught with Mary Jane in the cargo hold. Just how could two people be so damn stupid? They could have been Laurel and Hardy.Loundes County(Valdosta) is on I-75 and they arrest drug dealers all the time. Their conviction ratio is about 99.5 %. If these two local
boys are convicted, the judge in this judicial circuit generally sentences to the maximum, he don't play around. So, these two "fine upstanding role models" could be old and grey headed before they see the green hills of Union. Shucks
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Betsy
USA
439 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:35:18 PM
Sam I am sure I can speak for most of us. Those boys deserve to be punished. It was the comments involving Tommy that bothered me.Daughter is you went to school with these boys, you went to school with my husband. HB you crack me up, I was about to die reading that. As far as drug test, YES!!!! But I will share a little secret most dealers do not do their own dope, not to say they fall in that catagory. School systems are to easy up her to get involved in. All the background checks in the world would not show anything if they have not got caught. My husband knows and respects Tommy and Phil, I only know Phil and to know Phil is to love him. For those of you that pray I hope they are lifted up in prayer at this time and I hope for the boys, God deals with them and gets their attention.
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ShadowMan
USA
4158 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:35:26 PM
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Someone else asked why they had so much cash and asked if they had landed for another deal?
It wasn't really that much money left over. There's only what looks to be $522 dollars in cash in addition to the guns and the marijuana. The marijuana itself was valued at $10,000 though, so that may be what you were keying off of.I'm all in agreement with Honeybee here. You raise kids the best you can and hope that when they become adults that they're someone you can be proud of, in addition to being someone you love. I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate for this area, but Kahlil Gibran wrote: And a woman who held a babe against her bosom said, "Speak to us of
Children." And he said:
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you, yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts.
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth. The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as he loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.
Shadow
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shucks
2145 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:44:42 PM
Following on Shadow's comment, the word kindergarten is German, meaning a training ground for children, began by a German educator.Adolph Hitler used this concept in the early days of WW11. He sated that if his kindergartens had your child until 5 years of age, they would always be Nazi's and loyal to the Fuhrer. Several years ago a book was published outlining research that stated that once a child reaches 7 years of age, nothing the parent does or says will change the child as they will be molded by peer pressure of children their own age. The bottom line is, you raise your children the best you can and hope they retain the teachings, but their is no guarantee. Shucks |
samantha_blue
1193 Posts
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Posted - 08/14/2007 : 10:54:20 PM
Yep, I agree......as much as I'd like to be able to control my kids actions and thoughts and keep them locked away from the cruel world, I can't!! We are each given a life and that is the only life that we have control over! Like I said before, just pray. Everything is in God's hands and he knows about tomorrow, we don't! These families are in turmoil tonight, I pray they can get rest and find peace.Edited by - samantha_blue on 08/14/2007 10:55:24 PM |
Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 12:37:31 AM
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Several years ago a book was published outlining research that stated that once a child reaches 7 years of age, nothing the parent does or says will change the child as they will be molded by peer pressure of children their own age.
Uh, that's a bit too far fetched for me to believe. Parents continue to mold their children way beyond the age of seven, even with peer pressure.
Anyway, that's beside the point. These men were both in their early thirties! Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Gumbee
151 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 12:59:53 AM
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Sam I am sure I can speak for most of us. Those boys deserve to be punished...But I will share a little secret most dealers do not do their own dope, not to say they fall in that catagory.
check the baggie in the foreground... http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/local/images_sizedimage_225225222/xl
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daughterofconfederate
USA
29728 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 01:29:13 AM
well.. she did say MOST... :(Betsy, I surely did if he went to school with them.. I bet he says the same as most of us.. Didnt think back then... that things would change this much.. :( Anne Frank said,
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." I agree!
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Cherry Blossom
USA
18932 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 08:42:24 AM
First I know first hand that parents have nothing at all to do with whether a child chooses pot, guns or crime. It does not make a bad parent.I also believe that an addict does things that he would not normally do. Though that may be irrational and dumb, that does not make a bad person. Selling drugs to children, or anyone is a bad choice, very bad, but it does not mean these people are terrible people. I'm sorry for the relatives and how humiliated they must feel. I'm sorry these men made very poor choices and they will now have to pay for that. I like what Sam said about the facts and they are there, I don't know these men, but bad decissions lead to bad results. Hopefully this will convince them to change for the better. Cherry Blossom S°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°M°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°I°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°L°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°E
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Zircon
24 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 08:43:02 AM
Honeybee: "From what I have heard his character was fine it is his extra-curricular activities that we are having trouble with."I'm sorry, I agree with a lot of your posts, but please tell me you are joking. What a person does is part of what defines their character. Last time the son of a prominent person herre was arrested, a lot of people were talking about it saying, Oh he's a good boy from a good family, he just made another mistake (as it wasn't his first arrest for dealing drugs). This community has a complete double standard when it comes to people getting arrested for stuff like this. If it is a no-name, sterotypical rough lookin character, people are all for getting them off the street. Cheer it even. But when its someone from a so called "good" family, and it aint their kids that drugs were sold too or effect them in any way, people are ready to give them a slap on the wrist and send them on their way. This is what a lot of these kids have grown up with, this idea that they can get out of it because daddy can fix the problem or people will say, oh, he's not like other drug dealers. If someone is a serial rapist or killer, but is super friendly in their day job, does that mean their character is ok, its just their "extracurriculur activities" that we should have a problem with?
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Cherry Blossom
USA
18932 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 08:46:25 AM
Good points Zircon. Not sure what these guys were doing with this pot, don't know these guys, but I've never met a young man that did not at least try pot. Dealing it is another issue indeed.Cherry Blossom S°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°M°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°I°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°L°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°E
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HoneyBee
USA
4364 Posts
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Posted - 08/15/2007 : 09:08:20 AM
OK, Zircon let me put it like this, for those of you who don't understand;The guy didn't run around announcing to everyone that he handled dope. He didn't advertise on t-shirts or signs. He hid, did it under cover of dark. His above ground character, the one that everyone saw everyday and greeted in his business and personal life showed he was a good guy. Of course not very many criminals go around advertising that they are criminals, we usually find out by accident. Some of your worse sinners will shake hands with you on Sunday morning at church, keeping up appearances for the community. That's what I was trying to get across. By the way Shadowman I like that verse and will be printing it out. "Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds that you plant" |
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Two Blairsville men arrest in Valdosta for drugs!
