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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  03:01:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
General Information on Mental Illness:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761566888_1/Mental_Illness.html

Of all mental illnesses, Schizophrenia is about the worst, and is the one that Andrea Yates suffered from.

Schizophrenia Link:

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761552061/Schizophrenia.html

An Exerpt: "A variety of symptoms characterize schizophrenia. The most prominent include symptoms of psychosis—such as delusions and hallucinations—as well as bizarre behavior, strange movements, and disorganized thinking and speech. Many people with schizophrenia do not recognize that their mental functioning is disturbed."


Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben


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Betsy

USA
439 Posts

Posted - 03/21/2007 :  07:04:22 AM  Show Profile  Visit Betsy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If he is not menally ill (trust me, he is not) why is this what the topic has turned into? Unless there is some new found evidence since that they attempt to kill his child he is just fine. Lets not confuse irresponsible his whole life with mentally ill. Too many mentally ill out there that would never try to kill a baby.

Since the topic has been turned into defending a guy who tried to kill his baby b/c out of a hat is pulled he is mentally ill, yes IQ has something to do with the mentally ill. They all have to take a test. You do know that a guy that is going to kill his child and not know it is wrong can not cook, be left alone, or drive, right?

People tend to defend b/c they love the family, I love the family too, but I am not going to excuse his behavior and defend somebody that knows the difference between right and wrong.

Somebody brought up judging..... If you can go judge free your whole life then God Bless you!!! I am not judging b/c of money or color of skin, I am judging b/c there is a tape of him trying to KILL his baby.


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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  07:37:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Betsy, ya know.. I can only pray for the baby, for his family and his wife and her family and him too. I pray more for the baby than anyone else. The fact is there that he did smoother the baby. Now is more the time to pray for that baby or at least hope for the best that there is no permanent damage as for as the babys brain goes.

The fact that he had a brain injury at all anytime in his own life will be a role in this case, I can almost assure you. Again, I am not saying that that is an excuse but even people who do not have history of brain injury hire lawyers to try to get them out of trouble be it reducing sentences, or proclaiming that they are mentally ill. Guilt is something that alot of criminals try to hide under the bush.. most people run from it. Some own up to their guilt.. takes all kinds in this world for sure apparently.

I have 4 kids, we as parents raise our children best we can.. hope for the best.. there are going to be trials of all kinds.. but let me ask you this.. IF IT WAS YOUR KID being talked about and judged on here.. no, never mind.. I am praying to God that that never happends to any of us.. and even if you try to imagine what they feel at this moment.. or that moment.. what they know about their own child that we do not know for facts.. just by judging and making our own conclusions, judgements and what we see or hear..

I can grant yall this, the family is suffering more by all of the publicity this has gotten moreso than Michael is.. if he is still in jail.. which I havent heard.. but if he is, I am sure the inmates arent offering him candy and roses persay.. so while he sits there or anywhere else.. its his family that has to endure the media and I think alot of them and that baby! Yes the baby needs advocates but it also has endured enough hell before it can even speak.. right now, I have to agree with who ever said that this has gone on long enough.. and been stretched out as you say on the medical experting parts.. not to step on toes.. but honestly, the boy will be judged one way or another.. by higher superiors.

This coulda happened to anyone.. or been anyones son that did this.. I pray to God that I never have a grandbaby or any family member do such of a thing.. but everyone is their own person and they are the ones who know what they are gonna do or will do.

Enough outta me about this.. I do find it disappointing, heart wrenching and I DO PRAY FOR ALL INVOLVED.. and I do not think that there is a justifiable reason for doing such,.. I will never understand these things that happen regardless how people try to solve it..

Anne Frank said,
"How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment before starting to improve the world." I agree!
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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  09:18:26 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Because if they score below a 60 on the test they are determined to have a mental illness (retardation) and therefore can't be held responsible for their actions.

3 things to remember if you get caught "Don't complain, don't explain, and for sure, don't ever confess!"Go to Top of Page

pediatric77

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  11:15:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I have heard of medicine in which patients are diagnosed
with a television camera and labeled then and there without a proper examination.I believe he had a neck injury not a head injury also.Most of us will agree that If you work and are able to marry and able to bring a child into this world,Should you not have the instinct that to put a babys life in jeopardy and that hurting an infant is wrong,If not then something was badly overlooked for a person of this caliber to have such freedoms and trust of other peoples lives.Medicine should be based on science and evaluation i agree .Not debates about hypothetical cases. He just needs to be dealt with and treated by professionals who can keep him in an appropiate enviroment that suits his special needs and not turned out recklessly on society and his criminal actions be swept under the table.


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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  12:56:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Andrea Yates should have been neutered and then after her 20 years of prison sentence addn appeals exhausted, been shot between the eyes.

She had to know she had some issues and had the feelings before she acted on them. She PPD for over 5 years or so (i am going on memory.
I don't feel sorry for her.

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pediatric77

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  1:17:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am the same way Honeybee.I just do not feel sorry for these people.I feel sorry for their victim.

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fawn

USA
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Posted - 03/21/2007 :  9:32:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit fawn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mr. Yates should have been neutered as well.

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  12:11:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://crime.about.com/od/current/p/andreayates.htm

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,218445-1,00.html


Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Wildflower

USA
4528 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  01:14:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.lackofinsightmi.org/articles.htm

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  01:57:49 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mental retardation is not actually classified as mental illness. And we aren't talking about mental retardation anyway.

Betsy, no one has defended him or his actions. No one has said he is definitely mentally ill because we don't know. Neither do you. So, there is no need to get so emotional about it.

Future investigation will settle the question (we hope).

The discussion is about the nature of mental illness and whether mental illness can cause a person to be out of touch with reality. According to scientific research, the answer is "Yes".

Certain types of mental illness cause the person to NOT KNOW they are mentally ill. Some sufferers cycle in and out of awareness. The technical term is "Lack of Insight".

It's a brain disease after all.

I'm done. I've left you some links with information that is there for the taking.

The two links on Andrea Yates are especially eye opening. The prosecutor also weighs in with some surprising views.

It's an introduction to one person's journey from sanity to schizophrenia. BTW, her own doctor had stupidly taken her off her meds just before the killings.

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben
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Wildflower

USA
4528 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  02:08:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oops. One more thing.

This link goes deeper with information about Andrea Yates' preacher, Michael Woroniecki.

http://www.answers.com/topic/michael-peter-woroniecki

His cruel religious teachings, combined with her mental illness, made for a ticking time bomb.

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben


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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  12:33:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From an out of county story that makes me sick!!!

But relates somewhat to what the topic has branched off too.

Police have described George David Edenfield as mentally slow, but not retarded and capable of understanding right from wrong.

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Betsy

USA
439 Posts

Posted - 03/22/2007 :  7:15:02 PM  Show Profile  Visit Betsy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
WF I am sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought this topic was about a man trying to kill his baby, I thought people were just assuming he might have a mental illness. I am also sorry if you thought I was emtional really I am not just typing my thoughts on what I thought the subject was about as what we all do on a forum. Again I am very sorry for the misunderstanding.

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stardust74

USA
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Posted - 03/22/2007 :  7:17:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Betsy, Do Not Apologize for typing your thoughts!

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Wildflower

USA
4528 Posts

Posted - 03/23/2007 :  02:41:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's okay Betsy. I would never assume anything about a person I don't know.

I have known someone for years that I came to realise later on was mildly schizophrenic. He heard hostile voices . . . not constantly, but especially when he was under great stress.

This person held down a job and the whole nine yards, but he did have great difficulty with interactions with people, and had a scary lightening-quick temper. He also considered suicide several times.

When he would tell me about the voices he heard, he never seemed to consider that they weren't real. He never thought he had a problem or wondered if he was ill.

He thought that Satan was after him because he was a prize. He also thought that he had supernatural powers in his younger years, which suggests he suffers from Narcissim also.

He has nightmares on a regular basis.

There are varying degrees of mental illness, and I think this person was on the mild end of the scale, although it doesn't sound that way.

Most of the time, he sounds completely sane and normal. But not always. He is not in this state continuously, but I have known him for over 20 years and have seen him this way many many times.

If he is mild and functioning, then I hate to think of how life is with an extreme schizophenic.

I did speak to his family about him, but got no where. They didn't want to even think about it. The only thing they would admit to, is that they always felt he had a chemical imbalance and was depressed.

He was on Lithium when he was young, but I don't know why it was prescribed except that he used to only take it when he was anxious.

I don't think he is a danger to anyone but himself, but only if life were to get too stressful. If I were to ever suggest to him that he suffers from a mental illness, I think he would be inconsolable and he would feel betrayed.

Wildflower

Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me.
But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
~Robert Orben


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taylor50-140

USA
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Posted - 03/30/2007 :  11:49:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ADMIN -PLEASE READ THIS AND DECIDE IF YOU WISH IT TO REMAIN. PARTS OF IT MAY BE DEEMED TO GRAPHIC TO REMAIN. I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WISH TO REMOVE IT, EITHER IN PART OR IN WHOLE.

I came back and added this link in case you wish to remove the post.
http://www.news4jax.com/news/11321257/detail.html

I know I'm a few days late here, but I'm trying to keep on top of things and keep up with ya'll. I've read this entire post. I do not know anything about the person accused of this horrific crime, or about the family involved, nor about the family from which he came, so it matters not to me whether his family is considered "good" or not. I'm not judging because I simply do not know.

I do know that I am SICK of hearing about criminals literally getting away with murder because of so-called mental illness.

Before I get jumped, let me clarify that, yes, I agree that there are people who are actually mentally ill and need our support and prayers. I also believe that the ones who are actually mentally ill often require, and should receive, more care than what is normally provided. This may help both the patient and any others involved in what could turn into a deadly situation.

Now, things like the recent Christopher Barrios murder really P***! me off. This is a simple case of things not being done right the first time there was a problem.

quote:
From an out of county story that makes me sick!!!
But relates somewhat to what the topic has branched off too.
"Police have described George David Edenfield as mentally slow, but not retarded and capable of understanding right from wrong."

Ok, so the guy is slow. No crime there. But what about his 1st conviction for child molestion involving 2 boys, age 7 & 9? He received probabtion? What? Oh, and let's not forget that he had to go to court (just 3 days before Christopher was reported missing) for a probation violation. Did he go back to jail? No.

Let's add the fact that his father was convicted for "incest with an adult family member that was not his son" several years ago.

I don't know if ya'll kept up with this as close as I did, but it happened within throwing distance of where I used to live with my ex (when my kids were young!)

The info they have released so far states that:
1)Christopher was strangled to death.
2)His body had been in the closet of the mobile home of the Edenfields after he was killed. This was determined by a test used to check for methane gas, which is emitted from a dead body.
3) His body was put into a trash bag(s) and was dumped in a wooded area about 2 miles form where he was killed. The "family friend" helped in this.
4) This child was sodomized and forced to perform oral sex acts upon the son and the father while the mother watched and masturbated to the whole scene.
5) The mother attempted to remove fingerprints after the murder by washing Christophers neck with soap and water.
6) "Clothing" was used to wipe of the semen from Christopher and from the father and son.
7) When Christopher was found, there were "bugs" on and around the trash bag that contained his body.
8) Christophers father and grandmother did not see the body after it was found because the police told them "it would be too difficult".

These animals (I can't bring myself to call them humans), took the life of an innocent 6 year old child in the most horrific way imaginable. They all know right from wrong. They have been convicted of other sex crimes in the past. They knew enough to try and hide the body, to remove the body from their home, to lie to the police, and finally, to tell just enough lies to confuse the situation and try and use the "mentally ill" card. Mentally ill my foot! They are monsters, in every sense of the word. Ones such as these need to be erased from the human race, totally and permanently. They already confessed to everything, so there need not even be a trial in my opinion. What makes me even madder is that they will sit on death row for years, with food, clothing, shelter, access to medical care, access to legal council, ect, ect, ect and our tax dollars will pay for it. And whose to say - did they kill the person that would have became a doctor and cured cancer? became our President? became a scientist or an inventor? They not only took the innocence of a child, they killed the man he could have been.


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Enjoy The Trip!
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Cherry Blossom

USA
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Posted - 03/31/2007 :  09:16:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is utterly horrible! That poor little boy.

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nativelady

USA
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Posted - 03/31/2007 :  09:46:13 AM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
In that case that Taylor is talking about. I read how that little boy died. I used to be for the death sentence then later "decided" that it was in God's hands, but in that case, I believe each member of that party should die by "strangling"...That was the sickest thing to even read much less even try to envison what that child went through at the "pleasure" of those ignorant sick perverts! I pray the courts don't use much money trying to decide 'how" or "why". If that had happened to my child, I would probably be in prison right now. I would of killed them all! It was hard to read much less even try to think of it being one of my own. Death won't bring that boy back but I'm sure it would be "almost" pleasureable to see the "trash" suffer!

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superstar

USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 :  6:11:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit superstar's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Sick or Sane, We all have a responsibility to PROTECT our children, read the papers, watch the news, we are doing a terrible job. What must we do to make the system listen??Go to Top of Page
mad4martinis

USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 :  6:46:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Castrate them all Superstar!! I couldn't agree more with you.  Protect, protect, protect!


Except that you have some dumb a hole mother, girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, whoever, that sits by & watches all this abuse happen & they need to be held accountanable too.


 

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Lavender

USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 :  8:27:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree M4M, they all should be castrated!

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HoneyBee

USA
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Posted - 04/10/2007 :  9:10:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry but castration won't work, they can still abuse children.

Death is the only answer!

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