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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  5:04:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We keep hearing a reaccuring theme about Us and Them, Who is US and who is THEM?? It's getting much harder for me to pick out the difference. After being on the forum for some time now I have begun to think of most of those on here as a part of US, even many who do not live here yet. We have some exceptions who will never agree on much that US believe and also have some exceptions who will never agree on much that THEM believe.

Sometimes it seems that it only takes a single comment from US about THEM or from THEM about US to start a many paged rebutal on why the other is wrong. WE sure are easy to set off arn't WE! WE seem to be insecure about ourselves in so many ways. WE can't seem to accept that WE may be wrong or that WE might not be totally right. When WE express our opinion about something WE can't seem to believe that someone would disagree, specialy if US or THEM is mentioned.

WE seem to gang up on ourselves, it's easy for the many to put down the few. WE, at least some of WE, have such strong beliefs, wheither about politics, alcohol, walmart or the price of eggs in china, that we can't except that someone else's opinion is different and naturally assume that they are wrong. Most of these things are of personal preference (except that I could care less about what the Chinesse do about their eggs) and should be treated as such. A good debate on any subject is productive as long as it doesn't get to a personal level. Sometimes I will argue on the side of a point in which I know the other person is right, just because I also know that the other person doesn't know WHY they're right.

Thats MY thoughts for the day, becarefull I may turn on YOU tomorrow. Hope not. Besides I'm right, haven't I told you before that I'm right and I'm not going to let facts or rational thinking stand in the way of me being right.

Why not.

why

paprclip22mom

USA
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  6:53:42 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why, I always say I'm right unless I'm turning left. Good post ya had there. Most of the time I refer to people on this forum as ya'll, not us or them. Sometimes its all about ME, ME, Me. I dont mean only ME though. There are some who think its all about THEM too. Local, Native, I hate that. Been here most of my life. I'm just me to me. And ya'll are just ya'll to me too.

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fawn

USA
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  7:11:16 PM  Show Profile  Visit fawn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why...we must agree all the time then because I know I'm right too!!

Good post, Why.

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taylor50-140

USA
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  8:51:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why,

Like you, I've been posting here a while, but just made it here physically in July. I don't know if I'm a THEM or an US!

I haven't lived here long enough to get to know the intricate details of the local politics, the growth or lack thereof, the housing developments on which mountain, yet I don't quite feel like an "outsider" either.

I may have an opinion on something that may or may not go along with the majority, but if you look at my postings on such matters, I always clarify that I may not know all the details because of me being so new to the area. I try to keep an open mind on many things, as I have stated before if facts presented warrant it, I may even change my opinion at times. Yet, there are some things that a person could preach to me until they were blue in the face and it wouldn't change my mind.

As for being right all the time, one time I actually thought I was wrong, but found out I was simply mistaken!

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 10/25/2006 :  10:34:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It really doesnt take much effort to try to meet in the middle.. and its less work on both parts.. them or us or us or them or we.


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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  12:39:33 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What would help is for people to just be able to state what they want and explain why, without being subjected to constantly hearing . . . "You knew what the area was like when you moved here, and now you want to change it."

That statement just squelches honest give and take.

And it divides us into US and THEM.

It puts the person on the defensive for wanting or not wanting a particular thing. Can't someone just have an opinion without being accused of an ulterior motive to remake the community?

So, can we just put that phrase to bed now?

Well, that's my solution.

Wildflower

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But deep down, I know that's not true.
Some of the smaller countries are neutral.
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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  12:46:29 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yeah.. we sure can.. but I am not sleepy ok.. we are just putting the phrase to bed..lol OK..


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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  07:29:12 AM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't want to be either us or them.I want to be me.Me takes a lot of vacations to distance himself from the us and them. If me can sell this house and move away me will be a happier person.Is the person that wants to break my other arm an us or them? WRJ

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  12:08:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ewww! Mr. Jenkins.. good point! :O


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mad4martinis

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  4:13:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is that your house listed I saw Mr. J out on the road?

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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/26/2006 :  5:46:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
m-4 That is correct.I finally had time to have it listed.I think that what I am offering and the asking price will allow for a fast sell. I hope that you have made a lot of progress from your procedure.WRJ

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why

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  09:58:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WF, not to pick on you as this applys to many, you just happened to be the one who posted first, why is this statement quoted from your post above false?
"You knew what the area was like when you moved here, and now you want to change it."

This transends the US and THEM to a certain extent as we have locals for and against change as well as move ins with the same feelings. I must admit probably more locals feel this way. I can not understand why someone would move to an area and wish to change that area into a place that they had just left, if they had liked the way things were where they were, why leave??

Could it be that we don't have large shopping areas here because those who have been here for a while actually haven't wanted it? Could it be that those who have been here awhile like the small town country atmosphere and don't miss any of the big city conviences that also bring the big city problems. Could those who have been here awhile actually like looking at the mountains without seeing houses hanging on them, ever wonder why those who have live here over the past century chose to build in the valleys and flatlands? Could it be that those who have lived here awhile don't mind a neighbors dog running across their land or that a party of rabbit hunters follow? Could it be that those who have lived here awhile really don't care if thier neighbor has a couple of old cars out behind thier house? They may even need to get a part from them now and then. Could it be that those who have lived here awhile really weren't too worryed about building permits as they knew who to get to build and who not to? Could it be that those who been here for awhile moved here because they liked it the way is was(is?)?

Sorry ran out of time and could it bes' for right now, could it be that we carry on this discussion later.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  10:30:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

Could it be that we don't have large shopping areas here because those who have been here for a while actually haven't wanted it?
Sorry ran out of time and could it bes' for right now, could it be that we carry on this discussion later.

See ya

why


It seems that geographics and numbers of how many in the area, distance from one store to another was what was in consideration to Walmart choosing US or Cleveland? I think that is what I recall from a prior post and what I have heard and read in the paper? I could be wrong.. but thats what the big stores usually look at???


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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  12:20:36 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This topic, us and them is futher evidence of the rejection that the locals have for their fellow cvitizens. I can't count the times I have heard the saga of hunting dogs, fences,signs or heard they want to change everything and other unsocial expressions.I have lived in many cities in this country,to include small towns in the south but never in place where people are so prejudice, hipocritical and unamerican as blairsville and union county. hopefully i won't have to endure this much longer. if i were a christian i would pray that the residents of this county join the league of humanity and enter as least the 20th century.WRJ and I'm on my way

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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2006 :  12:34:37 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
This topic, us and them is futher evidence of the rejection that the locals have for their fellow cvitizens

I disagree. Why's starting post makes it clear that the "us" and "them" labels aren't applied as easily as we bandy the words about. The fact that we're posting here forms us into an "us". Those who don't are "them". "Us" can also be those who've lived here all their lives. Or those who've just moved here. We can look for all the separation we want, but there's far greater ties that bind than divide.

Your following statements after your lead-in make it clear that you wish to focus on the division, rather than the ties. It seems you may be a "them" after all.

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why

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  2:55:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WJR, it is with hope and reguard that I wish for you to find the releif that you are seeking. I for one will miss some of your posts as I found you to be interesting on many subjects. The very thought of the people of this area being UnAmerican in unfathonable to me. The people of this area have always served their country with pride, we believe in the freedom that our forefathers fought for and can't see why anyone would seek to inforce their will upon us and try to change the way we have lived for decades just for the sake of changing us in their pattern.

As I said before, for many of the US-THEM people I've known over the past years, I think many have become WE and can see that what WE/THEY moved up here for is fading away and time is going to drag us all kicking and screaming into the future wheither we like it or not. If I liked to snow ski I would live in a place where snow sking was available, if I wanted big city attractions I would live in a big city, if I drank I would live in an area that sold drinks, if I wanted to live in condos or a subdivision I would live where these were the norm, If I wanted to commute in traffic everyday I would have stayed around Atlanta.

Progress is going to happen as time passes, why should a certain few rush it, can't we just wait a let it happen naturally?


A certain few have caused the attitudes of many of the so called Locals, just as a certain few have been more visable and vocal about the Move Ins. There were many who moved here from verious places when I was growing up and no one paid much attention until we started getting a influx of the "no trespassing" group and the "we did it like this in xxxxx" group.

If you want to move in and enjoy the mountains and become one of the people of the mountains, then you will always be welcome. If you are leaving someplace you don't like and plan to bring your problems and attitudes with you, don't expect to ever fit in and be accepted.

Just My thoughts

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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:01:44 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Shadow, you are wrong again ,as I have plainly stated on several occasions that I am not us or them.I have also made my position clear that I understand and respect both those who are locals and the newcomers.I am for unity not division.Don't attempt to put a label on me.WRJ

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fawn

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:12:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit fawn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Mr. J, unfortunately you "label" yourself by what you post.

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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:36:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why,I don't have to tell you that I have much respect for you and just about everyone here.I can easily understand why you would disagree with me on the unamerican comment.I didn't single you out on this subject and I am proud of the fact that I have made only one attact on an individual and I think he deserved what I said and more.WE have came to answer our country,s call,willingly, as Americans.I feel very strongly that we need to help other people assimilate in the area of their choice,do you think that is the American way?I don't think that we should live in an enviroment, where we are disrespected and undesired.Thanks for your generous comments.That's my opinion and I am not always right.WRJ

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William R. Jenkins

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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:42:32 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fawn,Of course you are correct,but that is only opinions,I don't appreciate groundless or unwarranted labels,do you? WRJ

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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:54:43 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Also ,fawn there is nothing that the members have learned about me that has not been intentional,I call um like i see um, let the chips fall where they.If someone has a bad opinion of me I don't find that objectional as long as they have some degree of validity.WRJ

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:55:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Everytime I see this topic, Cant help but think of Pink Floyds song.. US and THEM.. SIGH.. Why did you do that on purpose.lol ;) I know you didnt...


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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  3:56:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mr. Jenkins are you stirring the pot, again?

heh heh heh

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William R. Jenkins

USA
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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  4:14:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Teach, The forum needs more life and I am a natural promoter.WRJ

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Posted - 10/28/2006 :  4:53:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

Teach, The forum needs more life and I am a natural promoter.WRJ

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William R. Jenkins

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 10/28/2006 :  7:47:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Teach, are you trying to blow my cover? WRJ

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