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fawn
USA
2223 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 5:27:47 PM
Yes, why....you've summed it up very well and it makes sense to me.
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coosa creek
USA
39313 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 5:42:32 PM
I bought my land here in 1982, moved here in 1984. I never wanted anything to change. I liked living on a gravel road and I liked going to the tastee freeze in Morganton for a darn good burger. My husband started building houses, making $7.50 an hour and hiring only local people to work. He bought all of his materials locally and really help boost the economy. I have been here 22 years and we are still treated like outsiders, and I dare say after 50 years, we still will be. In the meantime, we have built about 65-75 of the best built houses in the area. That adds up to at least 13 million dollars of revenue spent in this area by one little builder!( That is saying that a house cost $200,000 to build, now they are higher)
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William R. Jenkins
USA
3545 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 6:56:21 PM
Martinis, You made an excellent point with, you are in my town mentality. That is another indication of the unwelcome sigh.I have also lived and visited many cities in this country and others.This has been a unique experience and one that I won't soon forget.That's my opinion WRJWilliam R.Jenkins |
electra
USA
97 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 7:14:42 PM
My family would be considered transplants - My father was retired from the Marine Corp. Both of my parents are originally from South Georgia but fell in love with the mountains and decided to settle there. We moved when I was 3 years old. I considered myself to be a "local" when I was growing up and I still consider Blairsville to be my hometown. All of my memories growing up are from B-ville. That being said, I was never treated as a "local" by the natives (which I define as those folks who's family has been there for generations). I was always treated as an outsider. My parents still live there are are still considered outsiders. I have an interest in Blairsville because it is my hometown. I don't want to see it destroyed by poor quality development and an controlled growth. I just can't figure out how someone can say that my opinion is somehow less valid. I would love to move back to Blairsville one day - I don't know that I ever will be unless the job market expands to include oddball professional types. I guess this is what happens when a girl from a transplant family grows up in a lovely small town. She gets out of high school, puts herself through college, meets and handsome plumber (they really do exist) and lives happily ever after in another small town that her plumber happens to be a native of. All the while, she keeps tabs on her hometown and wishes that the native people there could be as warm and welcoming as the natives of Banks County are to her. Remember that you are unique, just like everyone else. |
Wu
1452 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 7:39:35 PM
Hi people!I would just like to bring up a few points about this area. That really concerns the young and middle aged people of this area. JOBS Jobs that pay enough to pay rent and buy food, etc. Since most of the manufacturing has closed down all around this area, there are few jobs that pay little more than minimum wage. No one can live and pay rent on minimum wage. Let alone support a family. The house building rage will slow and get competitive..there for lowering wages. So...All the Local young people have to move away to find good paying jobs. Or adapt and make use of all the newcomers that need services. Please let me know your comments. wu 
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GrayEagle
USA
9966 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 7:46:52 PM
quote: Both of my parents are originally from South Georgia
Electa, where are they from? Joy and I are from Brunswick.GrayEagle <:))))<>< Favorite Sites: www.anoteaboutmyself.com www.bcmintl.org Thoughts: "Confession Without Repentance Is a Game." – Unknown |
Sweet N Low
USA
457 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 8:22:28 PM
Why, it makes sense to me but I gotta tell you I would have never thought you could put so much meaning into your responses especially since you and I had the same English teachers through high school....I bet they would be proud. (SURPIRSED) but proud......hehe!!S.. N.. L.. Edited by - Sweet N Low on 09/07/2006 6:16:48 PM |
William R. Jenkins
USA
3545 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 8:54:51 PM
Wu,An excellent example of a young person leaving Union county is Ben Geiger.He is very intelligent.He realizes he can't be all that he can be (that's an army slogan)if he lives his life here.I really feel sorry for the young people that must leave to find decent paying jobs,that allows them to have a family.I don't think that the building of homes is going to decrease to a noticable degree anytime soon. The influx of people is just beginning,I believe.I can't visualize a large improvement for the workers in this county. Most of the jobs here are service related,requireing little skill and not a whole bunch of book learning.That doesn't create much motovation ,does it?An excellent option is the military.I am living proof what a person can achieve if he or she takes advantage of the opportunities ,offered.WRJ Military retired and proud of itWilliam R.Jenkins |
spam4einstein
839 Posts
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Posted - 09/06/2006 : 9:14:16 PM
There is more fair paying work for able bodied men here than bodies to fill them. WAY MORE! Jobs are a real problem though for women and men looking for professional work. I dont think....I KNOW that will never change. The bulk of professional jobs are in mid sized to large companies. Those companies arent coming here, at least not for decades. I think Blairsville has more opportunity than anywhere, But you have to count on and make it yourself, not some company to pay you as a 9-5er on the cube farm. Unfortunately, most people arent able to think outside the box. I also see lots of jobs in the paper, some pretty decent, but few for the kids with college who might return. In many ways I hope it stays that way. Who the heck wants Blairsville to look like suburban Atlanta! Though It would be nice to have some people to hang out with. My wife and I are are both about 30 with college and professional backgrounds. We are finding it very hard to meet people our age we have much to talk about with. Thats not to sound snobby, just a reality that we have different backgrounds than most of the people our age in Blairsville. Thats because there is nothing here for the kids who go off to college to come back to. This is why almost all of the folks between 25-32 are working class locals who have kids and are doing the family thing. There are no jobs or social outlets to bring young, educated folks here. That also means there is no place for locals who get educated to come back. The pool of young professionals here is very small. I think lots would move here if there was work for them, but this highlights the serious lack of "good" jobs. 
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electra
USA
97 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 08:52:48 AM
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quote: Both of my parents are originally from South Georgia
Electa, where are they from? Joy and I are from Brunswick.GrayEagle <:))))<>< Favorite Sites: www.anoteaboutmyself.com www.bcmintl.org Thoughts: "Confession Without Repentance Is a Game." – Unknown
My parents grew up in Vidalia, land of onions ;-) As far as the professional thing goes, this is my viewpoint - I am a Landscape Architect. This does not mean "landscaper." I have often thought about talking hubby into moving up there and trying to start a small firm. I am not sure how well it would do as there really is not a market for LA type work unless you want to do average residential design and that would even be tough. Most people up there are not going to pay someone thousands of dollars for a plan. They want something actually installed in their yard. A pure design firm may have a difficult time making it with things as they are at the moment. I think a design build type of setup would be perfect for that area. The other reason I could not move up there is my husband. He has a thriving plumbing company where we are now. It would be silly to have him drop that and try to start over in B-ville where he would be viewed as an outsider and would probably have a devil of a time establishing a client base. The nice thing about where we are now is that I am within reasonable commuting distance to places that have plenty of professional opportunities. The area I am in also has plenty of opportunities for me to one day start my own firm and be successful if I desired to do so. Remember that you are unique, just like everyone else. |
why
USA
2072 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 09:10:14 AM
WRJ, thanks for serving your country. I think too many young people over look the advantages of a military career. For someone able to learn and opperate under the discipline required there is a reward of early retirement and the possibility of a good civilian job with added retirement. Many of the young people who think there is nothing in the way of a job out there for them could find a way out of the unemployment lines and low paying jobs.Spam, I'm not trying to put you down here, but I've rarely found anyone who I couldn't find common ground to use as a starting point for conversation and possible friendship. I'm not as learned as some of the people I am associated with but I am able to converse with them and understand the principles and theories they present. Inversely, my background and experiences have given me knowledge that many don't possess, some things are not in a book. I have learned to modify my conversation to match the people I'm with. I can learn from bankers as well as bootlegers, comptrolers and construction workers, doctors and ditch diggers. Perhaps you might find those you are trying to approach easier to reach if you begin at their level instead of expecting them to be on your level. They may not know much about fine wine or mutual funds but they might know a good recipe for BBQ sauce or where the best way to find that squeek in your floor. I love to hear how a succesful businessman got started and also enjoy when a friend tells me about a new tool they have gotten. I wear a coat and tie when I'm forced to but am more confortable in overalls. I can't see that the amount of education or your profession would have anything to do with the level of people I want for friends. Any way doesn't PHD stand for "piled higher and deeper"? Sweet N Low, who'da thunk it?? I just wish I hadn't gotten mad at my spelling teacher and tried to teach her a lesson by not learning how to spell. See ya. I have observed that many times differences tend to be forgotten unless brought to the surface by those considered different. This may be race, nationality, status level, education or political beliefs. Some people, by their actions or vocal remarks, keep reminding those they are with that they are different. A mouse is a lot easier to see when it runs across the floor, a deer or a tree is hard to see as it blends with the forest, but stands out in an open field. There is nothing wrong with being an individual, of having your own opinions and desires, but don't be supprised when those around you notice this and leave you out in the field. A tree in the forest is no less a tree than the lone tree in the field, although the tree in the field may receive more nurshing rain and minerals from the soil it has no protection from the wind like the trees in the forest. Deep this morning isn't it! electra, are you around Vidalia now?? I sometimes come down to that area and would be glad to buy you and hubby dinner one night when I'm down that way. With the size and price of houses around here now a days you might have a future here. why Edited by - why on 09/07/2006 09:15:58 AM Edited by - why on 09/07/2006 09:17:40 AM |
William R. Jenkins
USA
3545 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 10:01:52 AM
Why,you are just as wise as I always thought.I chose not to be just another high school drop-out in the military.I never wanted to be financially poor or what my defination of a failure was.I graduated high school before my civilian friends ,back home,because the oportunuty was there. I have very similiar opinions,about spams post,you explained how I feel about that,better than myself. I have never had any difficulty conversing with anyone,from Phds to the most illiterate. Most everyone that I know who respect other humans,desire to communicate with all.I have never met a humanist that didn't have these values.We share more character traits and values than you may be aware of,to include common sense. That's my opinion. WRJWilliam R.Jenkins |
Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 10:09:31 AM
Electra,Everyone I know that has moved here wishes there was just one really top-notch plant nursery with more than the run-of-the-mill plants. Native plants would be nice too. Why, I am insulated from the "you're not from here" vibe that so many have experienced. Almost everyone I know is from elsewhere and they all know each other. One person I know, bought a cabin up here before they decided to build a house and live here permanently. The guy who came to install their cable in the cabin was a local. He looked the wife straight in the eye and said he didn't like outsiders moving in. It had nothing to do with any conversation they were having, he just blurted it out. So, that was their "Welcome" to Blairsville.  I've heard stories that went back to 1958 when I was born, that mountain people were not welcoming of strangers. My parents lived in Asheville, NC for a couple of years after their marriage and I was born there. They returned to Florida when I was 6 weeks old. Throughout my life, they went to North Carolina quite often for vacations and to Ridgecrest (Southern Baptist training camp). But, they were encountering those mountain attitudes back in 1958! Some friends of my parents moved to the mountains in North Carolina in the 1970's, long before the influx of newcomers. They decided to opt for a different life and went into farming for a while. Eventually, they found out that the feed store was charging them way more than the going rate for supplies. I guess that was their payback for daring to move into the mountains! My own grandmother, a Virginian by birth, matter of factly told me that mountain people are "different" - not because they live differently, but because they are insulated and don't like outsiders. The term "Southern hospitality" never applied to the mountains; it applied to the coastal and piedmont south. Now, there are all kinds of sociological reasons for this. Mountain people had to depend more closely on family to just survive. They couldn't just trot over to a store for all their needs. I read that only 100 years ago, people HAD TO make their own shoes in Hayesville, because they were so remote. This would tend to make people very reliant on the people they know. And there weren't a lot of strangers around all the time. I think mountain people have just developed in a culture that makes trusting outsiders difficult for them. It's not the environment they grew up in. "Change" was not a constant factor in their lives as much as it has been for the rest of us, so they are uncomfortable with it. On top of that, the rest of the south has had newcomers moving in for decades. It has taken longer for that to happen in the mountains - it started more in the 1990's. So to sum it up, when locals feel offended by newcomers wanting to "change everything", it's often just their mountain heritage talking. You can't change a person's background and world view. It has shaped them more than even they realise. Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 10:24:42 AM
I guess I'm just saying what sociologists who have studied the Appalachians have been saying all along . . . the people here were shaped by the land itself.The mountains were remote and travel was more difficult. Outside influences were more rare. The landscape itself created a unique culture. Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 10:27:53 AM
Come to think of it . . . my mother has remarked that just getting around in Asheville in 1958 was far more difficult than now.Back then, it was all twisty winding roads that you had to travel at a snail's pace. Very few highways. By the 1990's, she said it was so much easier to get around the mountains because of all the highways that had been built. Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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coosa creek
USA
39313 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 11:16:54 AM
Wild flower, you make a lot of sense in what you are saying. I do think there are more jobs for able bodied men if you could just find some that would work. We can't. We have never, ever, in 22 years, had a worker that would work more than 25 hours a week. We pay decent, $18 an hour. We have not seen our worker in about 3 weeks and we sure need him.
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why
USA
2072 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 11:35:38 AM
Some of the distrust of outsiders by the mountain people came from the days of the "government men" coming to hunt for stills and from 'flim-flam men' of old who would prey on the unknowing locals. Most people in the mountains were selfreliant and indpendent in nature. If some one needed help they were glad to help, but would not interfere with others daily lives. Much of the government land in this area was bought for around $.50 an acre due to the lack of money to pay the taxes by many. I would say that anyone moving here in that era was watched pretty close for a long time before they were brought into the local scene.I have heard and read stories about people moving to Alaska and finding that the people there would not have any more than passing conversation with them. They found out that people who move up there were given two to three years to see if they were going to make it and fit in before being accepted. It is kind of like hunting with someone you have never hunted with before, you watch them pretty close to see if they are safe and if they can be trusted not to get themselves or you into trouble by putting you in danger. As you know, I can see nothing wrong with the way things have been here for years. As far as jobs go, I left for many years to work in other areas, when I returned I found that for the most part those who stayed had prospered just as much as I had and were better off than I in terms of property as they had been here and able to buy when it was available at decent prices. why |
electra
USA
97 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 11:42:32 AM
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electra, are you around Vidalia now?? I sometimes come down to that area and would be glad to buy you and hubby dinner one night when I'm down that way. With the size and price of houses around here now a days you might have a future here. why
Ok, I am going to try this again...I lost my other reply. I don't live in Vidalia, couldn't pay me to live there. Too hot and flat. I would like to buy back part of the family farm just to have it. Thanks for the dinner offer tho. I actually live in Banks County. My husband was born there and both sides of his family have been there for a few generations. The funny thing is that his mom's side moved to Banks from Towns and his Dad's family moved from Rabun. They were Adamsons, Clarks and Cannons from what I can recall. Maybe I can retire in Blairsville one day. Doing some high end residential design would be a good break if I follow the career path I have planned! Remember that you are unique, just like everyone else.
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spam4einstein
839 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 11:44:23 AM
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WRJ, thanks for serving your country. I think too many young people over look the advantages of a military career. For someone able to learn and opperate under the discipline required there is a reward of early retirement and the possibility of a good civilian job with added retirement. Many of the young people who think there is nothing in the way of a job out there for them could find a way out of the unemployment lines and low paying jobs.Spam, I'm not trying to put you down here, but I've rarely found anyone who I couldn't find common ground to use as a starting point for conversation and possible friendship. I'm not as learned as some of the people I am associated with but I am able to converse with them and understand the principles and theories they present. Inversely, my background and experiences have given me knowledge that many don't possess, some things are not in a book. I have learned to modify my conversation to match the people I'm with. I can learn from bankers as well as bootlegers, comptrolers and construction workers, doctors and ditch diggers. Perhaps you might find those you are trying to approach easier to reach if you begin at their level instead of expecting them to be on your level. They may not know much about fine wine or mutual funds but they might know a good recipe for BBQ sauce or where the best way to find that squeek in your floor. I love to hear how a succesful businessman got started and also enjoy when a friend tells me about a new tool they have gotten. I wear a coat and tie when I'm forced to but am more confortable in overalls. I can't see that the amount of education or your profession would have anything to do with the level of people I want for friends. Any way doesn't PHD stand for "piled higher and deeper"? Sweet N Low, who'da thunk it?? I just wish I hadn't gotten mad at my spelling teacher and tried to teach her a lesson by not learning how to spell. See ya. I have observed that many times differences tend to be forgotten unless brought to the surface by those considered different. This may be race, nationality, status level, education or political beliefs. Some people, by their actions or vocal remarks, keep reminding those they are with that they are different. A mouse is a lot easier to see when it runs across the floor, a deer or a tree is hard to see as it blends with the forest, but stands out in an open field. There is nothing wrong with being an individual, of having your own opinions and desires, but don't be supprised when those around you notice this and leave you out in the field. A tree in the forest is no less a tree than the lone tree in the field, although the tree in the field may receive more nurshing rain and minerals from the soil it has no protection from the wind like the trees in the forest. Deep this morning isn't it! electra, are you around Vidalia now?? I sometimes come down to that area and would be glad to buy you and hubby dinner one night when I'm down that way. With the size and price of houses around here now a days you might have a future here. why Edited by - why on 09/07/2006 09:15:58 AM Edited by - why on 09/07/2006 09:17:40 AM
Actually, your thoughts on me couldnt be more wrong! I am a public school kid who's greatest strength is being able to converse with ANYBODY. Grew up in a town with friends from all walks. Ive been a well paid guy in a suit, (well paid because of my ability to relate to anyone) and been a contractor fixing toilets in the ghetto, I have friends who are players on wall street and some who are un-employed drug addicts with filthy kids. Ive been to Hells Angels parties and been to celebrity filled magazine launch parties in Manhattan. Really, everyone I know cant figure me out. Ive got a closet full of Italian suits and a basement full of old ATV's to tinker with. Believe me, I get along great with anybody. But the truth is my problem is just how I described me. I have no more in common with some of the PHD's Ive met than the averge "locals" who have never left B-ville. One is no better or worse than the other. What they both have in common is living in a small world, and I find them boring. Sure, thats definately not true of all local people my age, but it describes a great many of them. I am just fundamentally wired differently than someone who was content to never leave Blairsville. Just like I am fundamentally different that the physicist who's singular focus in life is that small world. So Im not complaining about un-educated folks. More like a lack of bright folks, educated or not who’s world is bigger than Blairsville. Im sure you understand Mr. WHY! This kind of person often gets some sort of post high school education, but certainly not always. Professional jobs would bring alot of B-villes brightest back. I have met many people I get along with here, but not that many my age I have much in common with.
I think you totaly missed the mark on me with this one and thought Id be more clear about where I come from. Heck, I dropped out of college my last semester, so Im not one to judge anyone on a piece of paper. I think if you read above carefully, you will understand my point clearly. Edited by - spam4einstein on 09/07/2006 5:11:15 PM |
puddin pop
USA
4628 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 1:01:39 PM
I've lived here my whole life, even lived on the same road I'd lived on since I was a baby until about a month ago. I have no way of knowing who is from where unless I've known them. I've had neighbors who were born here who were wonderful and I've had neighbors from other places that were wonderful. I've had people who were born here look down their nose at me and I've had people from other places look down their nose at me. Right now I have new neighbors since I have moved. One bunch is from here and they are not very welcoming or are they friendly. Another I've known since I was a little girl and they are wonderful. Our closest neighbors, I have no idea where they are from but they are not from here because the lady has a foreign accent but they are very sweet and even invited my girls up to their home for a popsicle. There are all kinds everywhere you go. I am just as friendly as someone will let me be. I can remember the very first person I ever met from Florida. I looked out my parents' bedroom window and saw a man putting up a mailbox. We all went out to meet him and a wonderful friendship of many years began. This sweet man and his wife had no children of their own and my sister and I were happy to spend many an afternoon at their house and they were just as happy to have us there. We visited them at their home in Florida occasionally. It was a very sad time when his wife passed away and then a few years later so did he. My dad still goes every year to their gravesite in Florida to put flowers there. We accepted him and his ways and he accepted us. There was mutual respect there on both sides. I really don't think there are many people my age who don't like outsiders moving in. Most I grew up with did move here from somewhere. My husband wasn't born here and he doesn't feel like an outsider even though sometimes I do call him a yankee to tease him. He's lived here since he was six years old though so that might have made a difference. Why can't I get a little ahead instead of a bigger behind? |
Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 1:53:35 PM
Spam,That was interesting. I've heard remarks from time-to-time from locals who sort of have an inaccurate view of what kind of people transplants are. One guy who worked on my car in Hayesville a few years ago was like that. He resented newcomers who (in his words) . . . "sit around being served drinks by their maids." I thought "Huh?", I don't know anyone like that. Besides, since when do maids serve drinks? And besides that, how many maids live in full-time? The thing is, if you could know the life story of every newcomer, you would see how much they vary. In spite of achieving enough financial security to retire, many of them have struggled at some point in their lives. They were not necessarily born with a silver spoon in their mouths. Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 2:05:13 PM
Speaking of changes in the mountains . . .Our new commissioner - Bill Kendall, is having a Town Hall meeting later this month to discuss a new ordinance for building heights. He wants to limit new buildings to three stories, but wants the citizens to approve. He has already put a temporary ordinance in place, because he is getting calls from developers backed by big money every day, who want to put up high rises. He wrote something interesting in the newspaper. He said that "all studies show that each additional residential unit costs more taxes in services than it pays, each commercial unit pays slightly more taxes than it requires, while open farm, forest, and mountain land pays far more taxes than the services they require. (This type property require no or very little services from its taxes.) He is also concerned about stopping the sale of U.S. Forest Service land that the current administration in Washington wants to sell off. I LOVE LOVE LOVE this guy. Wildflower
Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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electra
USA
97 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 2:54:53 PM
Amen on the selling off of Forest Service Land. It sets a VERY dangerous precedent! Think of it, every time the Federal Government needs money, they sell off some of OUR PUBLIC lands to foot the bill. Maybe they should look at cutting some pork projects instead of selling public lands!"Caring for the Land and Serving People" my arse! Have you guys noticed that the visitor centers are not as visitor friendly as they used to be and they have gotten rid of many of their public service people in the name of cost pool reduction. Remember that you are unique, just like everyone else. |
Wildflower
USA
4528 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 3:59:30 PM
Well, I don't know if Union County is affected, but some of the forest land they want to sell off is located in Towns.If they sell it, it would go to developers. I think the current administration made up a list of things that most people DON'T want, and proceeded to enact them. Selling off the forest would be one of the things most people don't want. I don't think they care what we want in the least. Selling off our future - very shortsighted. 
Wildflower Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me. But deep down, I know that's not true. Some of the smaller countries are neutral. ~Robert Orben
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mad4martinis
USA
13730 Posts
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Posted - 09/07/2006 : 5:06:06 PM
We need that commish over here for zoning ideas. Puddin, that was a very sweet story!!!**There is no truth except the truth that exists within you. Everything else is what someone is telling you** |
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