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mad4martinis

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  7:32:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As of now for the City of Blairsville...Yes-15 No-30


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nativelady

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:35:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Ok, I am dumb, only 45 people have been counted? OR what does this mean!?

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Honoria

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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:46:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I overheard two men talking about the IRS getting involved in Union County because the churches here had tried to unduly influence the political process.

Anyone have any information about that?

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AlphaDraconis

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:47:08 PM  Show Profile  Visit AlphaDraconis's Homepage  Reply with Quote
That's the City of Blairsville vote -- apparently only 45 people showed up for the vote.

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paprclip22mom

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:49:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey I showed up but I'm only one. So one of the yes votes is mine.

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Honoria

USA
50 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:50:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

That's the City of Blairsville vote -- apparently only 45 people showed up for the vote.

Anyone know how many registered voters live inside the city limits?

Honoria
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ShadowMan

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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  8:54:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Approximately 600 residents in the City, but less than 300 registered voters as of October 2005. I don't have anything more current than that.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:05:29 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's sad! Everyone should vote.

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FanninCat

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:29:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Odd, but interesting. Someone told me today that the Baptist Church in Blairsville (not sure which one, but the BIGGEST)has purchased EVEY single liquor license allowed by Union County, and has OWNED them for decades. Yes, Union County has liquor licenses, and only so many are allowed by the county. This church apparently owns them all, and knew that if the YES vote passed, they'd be under scrutiny and be forced (not sure how) to surrender a significant portion of the licenses they hold on to for the expansion of businesses that wish to sell the hard stuff.

Just romor mind you, not saying I know this as fact. If anybody out there has heard the same thing, please speak up.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:33:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have heard that before but it was questioned once to Lamar Paris & he denied that ever being true. They'd probably like that control, but I don't think it's factual.

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knittygritty


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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:34:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just looked at NGN page and see that the YES/NO vote is very close right now.

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Honoria

USA
50 Posts

Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:39:48 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WHY does everyone believe that there is no alcohol in Union County? The aluminum cans, the boxes filled with empty long-necks, the number of pedestrians arrested for being under the influence, the number of DUIs in the paper every week, the number of under-age/teens caught drinking all attest to the FACT that Union County ALREADY HAS alcohol here.

"Let's Keep Union County Alcohol Free!" How about "Let's Keep Union County Meth Free!" How about "Let's Keep Union County Litter Free!" How about "Let's Keep Union County Stray Animal Free!" How about "Let's Keep Union County Divorce Free!"

Too many people in Union County have their heads in the sand. SOMETHING is DEAD WRONG in Union County.

People, teens and adults, are drinking enough to get drunk. WHY??? What is so missing in their lives that they drink to try to fill that hole in their hearts/souls/spirits?

People, teens and adults, are using Meth "because it feeeeeels so good" and get hooked on it immediately. Why not just get a gun, load it, put in in your mouth, aim it at your brain and pull the dang trigger??? The effect is the same. Meth kills you from the inside out. A bullet to your brain would kill you from the inside out. What is so missing from people's lives that they use something made of poisonous ingredients to make themselves "feel good?"

What is Union County doing to stop the deaths by alcohol or Meth? They're sticking their heads in the sand instead of addressing the problem in their homes and in their churches and in the schools.

Alcohol is here to stay whether the Yes's or the No's win today. A No Vote won't stop the underage teens from drinking. A No Vote won't stop alcoholics from finding a drink. A No Vote won't stop people from drinking and driving. A No Vote won't stop people from drinking and getting into arguments. A No Vote won't stop drunk people from picking up a knife or a gun and using on someone else.

A No Vote won't stop any of us from going out of County to purchase our beer and wine and liquor. We'll just keep on 'brown bagging' it at our favorite restaurants and drinking it in the comfort of our homes or our yards.

(PS, there's a nice package store in Gainesville between PetsMart and Home Depot which has a nice variety of the 'hard' stuff.)

Honoria
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mad4martinis

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:44:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:

I just looked at NGN page and see that the YES/NO vote is very close right now.



Heart Palpatations here!!! LOL


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knittygritty


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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  9:49:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
5 precincts counted
YES 1244 NO 1287

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Honoria

USA
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  11:38:28 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks like there is a difference of 49 NO votes.

I guess it was a good 'fight' for the freedom to say No or Yes. We have no freedom to choose. The sanctimoneous can dance in the streets. But there will still be alcohol in Union County.

Get that brown-bag out of the trashcan.

Honoria


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Wildflower

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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  12:26:21 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FanninCat,

I've heard the same thing over here in Towns County!!!

Not about Union County, but about Towns. There is a young bartender at the Yacht Club who moved to Union County during high school. She told me about the rumor that churches in Towns buy up all the liquor licenses to prevent more places from opening up.

But, as she said, it's hearsay. No idea if it's true.

Anyway, about the vote, I'm not surprised at all. I'm only surprised it was so close. As for the future, I'd say more newcomers moving in will be the "Vote No" people's worst enemy.

It will tip the balance.

So will higher gas prices as oil gets scarcer. Those trips to Hiawassee and Murphy are gonna keep getting more expensive.

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Chris

USA
179 Posts

Posted - 07/19/2006 :  12:54:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Odd, but interesting. Someone told me today that the Baptist Church in Blairsville (not sure which one, but the BIGGEST)has purchased EVEY single liquor license allowed by Union County, and has OWNED them for decades. Yes, Union County has liquor licenses, and only so many are allowed by the county. This church apparently owns them all, and knew that if the YES vote passed, they'd be under scrutiny and be forced (not sure how) to surrender a significant portion of the licenses they hold on to for the expansion of businesses that wish to sell the hard stuff.

Just romor mind you, not saying I know this as fact. If anybody out there has heard the same thing, please speak up.

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This is false. I asked the Commissioner himself for a report a few years ago. He simply said no one had bothered to come up and willfully request a liquor license.

Anyone want to support a Writ of Mandamus?


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ricks


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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  05:38:25 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, it loses by 49 votes or .007 (out of 6477 votes) and the "No'ers" will claim this as a resounding affirmation of their position. I wonder how many folks voted "no", as some apparently did here, because they wanted package sales? You won't see package sales anytime in our lifetime. You may not see another vote anytime in our lifetime.

The whole thing just astounds me. Union County is awash in alcohol. I have it in my home. Most others do also. You can buy it in every surrounding county. This issue would make sense only if alcohol wasn't easily available everywhere close by. Union County isn't alcohol free and never will be. This is one of the most ridiculous political issues I have ever seen since it simply makes absolutely no sense and only drives business out of Union County....both in restaurants and in grocery shopping.

Does anyone know if there is a petition provision to get an issue on a ballot? If so, I'd wait a year or two and then get a petition drive going and force another vote.

Frankly, we need a leader who will just go ahead and end this nonsense. Of course, that isn't going to happen either. The vote was amazingly close. There is an old political axiom that states it is always easier to get the "No" votes out on any issue. In my mind, this vote really says a majority in the county approve of alcohol sales....the churches just did a better job of collectively getting out the "no" vote than did individuals on the other side.

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Honoria

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  07:55:00 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Frankly, we need a leader who will just go ahead and end this nonsense. Of course, that isn't going to happen either. The vote was amazingly close. There is an old political axiom that states it is always easier to get the "No" votes out on any issue. In my mind, this vote really says a majority in the county approve of alcohol sales....the churches just did a better job of collectively getting out the "no" vote than did individuals on the other side.

What this means is that when Lamar Paris runs again, he's may have a tough sell unless he does something to sway enough "Yes Voters" to give him a win. I'm sure that many more than 49 Yes Voters will move into Union County before 2008.

I was planning on moving, but I may stay around for that Vote.

I am a Lamar Paris supporter because I know the man well enough to know that he would not intentionally do anything to harm Union County or the people who live here. I think he just got tired of the pessure "some" churches (and apparantly his own pastor) put on him to create an ordinance that disallowed even brown bagging, so he finally decided to put the vote on the Primary Ballot. He stated in one of his columns in the NGN that whatever happened, if the No Vote won, he was not bringing up the alcohol issue again while he wsa in office.

If the Republicans run someone who can actually win and that person says he'll allow alcohol to run freely in Union County, that person may win the next Commissioner's race. And then, when the person turns out to be a puppet for "certain" power-brokers in the County, and said "power brokers" buy up most of the liquor licenses and thumb their collective nose at the citizens of Union County, everyone within eye-shot of this message will be crying in their beer. Because there is an Unwritten Code among Commissioners that reads "I'll do my best not to cut into your revenues" and the ONLY person who's got the guts to follow through with that promise is Lamar Paris. I contend a Republican would soon cave into the "power brokers" because that's about the only way a Republican can win the Commissioner's race. Yes, I know what I said and I stand by it. As the movie said "follow the money."

Lamar Paris stated that his alcohol ordinance was going to be the toughest in the State. Do you know why? Because there is an Unwritten Code among Commissioners that reads "I'll do my best not to cut into your revenues" and the ONLY person who's got the guts to follow through with that promise is Lamar Paris. (I contend that only "power brokers" in Union County would be willing to challenge that unwritten code. As I mentioned above "follow the money."

So do not be "dissing" Lamar Paris because of 49 Votes. Be thankful that he is one of the best, if not THE best Commissioners Union County has ever had. Be thankful that he did not "cave" to either side.

THAT alone is a very good reason to keep Lamar Paris in office. He could not be "bought" by either side of the alcohol issue.

I'm going to repeat that:
THAT alone is a very good reason to keep Lamar Paris in office. He could not be "bought" by either side of the alcohol issue.

So get those brown bags ready, drive to Towns County to help their revenues, and "let's party."

DRINK RESPONSIBLY! Responsible drinkers are not drunks, you know by the price of the bottle in their hands.

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mad4martinis

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  08:09:36 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chris, if you're serious, I WILL SIGN!


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coosa creek

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  08:12:18 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The yes sign outside our subdivision was stolen last night. I am surprised how close the vote was. We have many friends who own homes here who would have voted yes, but they are registered in another county. These people are as close as gainesville, but these are their weekend homes.

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ShadowMan

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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  08:29:24 AM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Stolen? Or perhaps just cleaned up?

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  08:33:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lol!

Well it is so close as it was said here somewhere that Lamar could do what he wanted about it I reckon.. and he may still. ALL I KNOW IF HE WAS DEPENDING ON THAT TO HELP HIM KNOW WHO WOULD VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN OR..LOL WHATEVER IT WAS THAT WAS SAID HERE THAT COUGHT MY ATTENTION.. I WOULD HATE TO KNOW WHICH SIDE I WOULD GET THE VOTES FROM OR TO GO POLITIKIN TO WHEN IT CAME TIME. EIK! BLESS HIS HEART! Like I said before, its hard for one man to please everyone, Id hate to be in his shoes before this and after this.


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why

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  08:49:22 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Honoria..."We have no freedom to choose" I'm sorry but you had the freedom to choose yesterday. There were just more of those who used that same freedom in opposition. By the way, I still say that the alcohol issue is not a "political issue" except in that it might cost Lamar his position. I do agree with you that there are more pressing issues that need addressing in this area including Drugs and other social issues. The money spent on both sides could have been better used.

I am trully supprised that it didn't pass, others have told me that they expected it to lose by 2/3rds so I think all our guesses were wrong.

To those who were for the sales, you had your chance, please accept the outcome (I'm sure there will be a recount). If it had passed, I would have accepted the will of the people. This talk of forcing Lamar to sell license, isn't that contray to democracy and the power of the vote. I know the margin is slim and the outcome could change the next time it comes up on the ballot and so be it.

Up until this point all those who wanted the sales were saying that they just wanted a chance to vote on it, that chance was given.

There have been some good discussion on the pros and cons of the issue, can't we now let the matter settle down for awhile and look for more important issues that face the county, state and nation.

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Lake Runner

USA
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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  09:34:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was surprised that the vote was so close. No got 50.4% and Yes got 49.6%.

What that tells me is that a yes vote is not far off. I am sure that 5 years ago the vote would not have been so close. So, hopefully, we will all have the CHOICE of having a glass of wine with dinner sometime soon.

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coosa creek

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Posted - 07/19/2006 :  10:12:31 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would say the sign was stolen, another yes sign on the corner, 100 yards away, is still there. I am shocked that it did not pass. Also, shocked that so few that live in the city voted!

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