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daughterofconfederate

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Posted - 06/25/2006 :  11:06:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.walmartfacts.com/lifeatwalmart/health_care/


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nativelady

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  12:00:15 AM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
WildFlower:
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As far as the "anti-Wal-Mart" group, we are not pulling information out of thin air. There is so much documented about Wal-Mart and there are many communities across the country that have been opposed to having one.


For your information ONLY! I have to call insurance companies ALLLLLLL day long. As a medical receptionist who posts billings for a specialist, I have to call Blue Cross/ Blue Shield many many times a day. We have Wal-Mart patients who come in and in order to get their money or just a co-pay I call to get their benefits for the Provider. As I stated, there are different plans for the employee to choose from. Some dont even have to meet a deductible for procedures in office. Just a co-pay. So My Dear Flower, I did not pull something OUT OF THIN AIR this time. In fact, I probably know more about this than YOU Do, Now imagine that?

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Wildflower

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  12:58:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Native! Calm down. I'm not suggesting that you pulled facts out of thin air.

What I am asking is . . . what percentage of Wal-Mart employees have health insurance? The company has been called the carpet for the fact that a high percentage of it's employees don't have, or don't quality for their health insurance. Or can't afford to get it.

So, I'm not speaking about the quality of the insurance, but the fact that so many don't have it at all.

You are checking insurance for the ones who have it.

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  12:59:59 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
typo

"don't qualify"

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spam4einstein


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  01:01:37 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We wont ever get a Target. Target's average shopper has a household income of something like $65,000. Walmart is something like $33,000. I dont think B-ville fits their target market. Sorry to say we also wont be getting a Red Lobster (well, not relly...I hate that place) But I keep hearing folks talking like they think they will come, Blairsville is more likley to be covered by a flood!
Maybe if we get our act together and serve we will get a Ruby Tuesday or Applebees one day...But when was the last time anyone saw a Red Lobster anywhere other than a bumper to bumper 4-lane suburban retail strip? I swear some people have never left Blairsville.


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fawn

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  08:36:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit fawn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I just don't see how a WalMart in this county is going to have any effect on the downtown area. What's there now anyway that's going to be hurt by the big blue box?

I remember being in Murphy just after their WalMart was first built. The downtown was totally dead and depressing. I went to a few stores and heard a lot of complaints about how WalMart had just killed their business. Well, speed up to present time and there is quite a difference in Murphy's downtown now. It's cute, lively and has some interesting stores. Yes, quite a few of them cater to the tourist crowd but tourists do bring in a lot of money to that area.

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mad4martinis

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  08:47:03 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://albany.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2006/06/19/daily22.html?t=printable

Doc, you know I love ya, but I'm not going to find it comforting reading testimonials from Walmarts web site. Yes, Walmart has insurance for those who CAN pay for their share. This bill is making larger companies have to pay a larger share for their employees insurance. Guess what? Wal-Mart has hired their high priced lawyers to fight against it! Why? They aren't winning the battle, but instead they are going to put their own little clinics in for their employees. how sweet.

Who pays for Wal-Mart workers' health care? Wal-Mart, right? No, we all do.

Despite Wal-Mart's mammoth profits, the company actually burdens us -- taxpayers -- with its workers' health care costs. In a disturbing nationwide trend, more state studies are revealing that Wal-Mart employees are the top recipients of taxpayer-paid health care. The scope of this corporate failure is massive: Wal-Mart is the largest private employer in the United States, with over 1.3 million associates, yet they fail to give health insurance to 53 percent of its employees.

"So here's how it works: Wal-Mart offers insurance, but aggressively shifts the cost onto its employees. The low-wage workers then pass up the unaffordable coverage and turn to the states. If this isn't exactly company policy, it is at least company philosophy. CEO Lee Scott, at the company's recent ''summit'' for the media, even described it. He said some state health programs are 'so lucrative that, in fact, it's hard to be competitive with them and certainly extraordinarily expensive to be competitive with them.'"
Editorial, Miami Herald 6/11/05

This is off that site you linked, Doc.
Wal-Mart Covers Just 44 Percent of its Employees. According to the company's website Wal-MartFacts.Com, the company provides health care benefits to about 568,000 of Wal-Mart's 1.3 million associates in the United States. Based on Wal-Mart's own figures, the company covers only 44 percent of its workforce [Wal-Mart Facts; Business Week, 10/20/05]

Recently, they have lowered the cost of thier insurance to their employees due to people standing up to them and fighting back.
There's over 10,000 children of employees of wal-mart who are on public assistance. We're paying for it. I've got mouths to feed too.

I agree with you Spam. I'll believe it when I see it with a red lobster coming to Hiawassee. It's like Target. They will not be here until it sprawls just like Kennessaw and other larger counties.


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samantha_blue


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  09:13:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You know, anyone can pick any business apart to prove each point good or bad. There is no perfect business, including these mom and pop shops in town. Tell me where their benefits are?? It seems most of you don't want Wal-mart because it will hurt local businesses so you point out that Wal-mart has poor benefits, pay, and labor relations. Well, can anyone of you that are against Wal-mart point out a local business that offers it's employees better or comporable benefits to Wal-mart?? Do they pay better? Have better insurance?? Sick days? Etc?? I seriously doubt it.

I think it's funny that these local shops rip us off daily, rip their employees off with low wages, benefits, etc. , and then start crying the blues when a company that would help our community comes to town!! They expect all of us who've been ripped off, etc to support them and not support Wal-mart. Sorry, but Wal-mart has my vote!!

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mad4martinis

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  09:16:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not speaking for every small business in our town, but one. They pay 50% of insurance to employees who want the coverage. That includes PART-TIME EMPLOYEES!


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daughterofconfederate

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  09:22:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
KUDOS SAM! KUDOS! Good point!

I worked at wal mart.. in hmm.. Lady, when did I get that divorce? Anyways.. even back then, I worked there for two weeks and the manager pulled me aside.. asked me IF I was going to go to college or if I was going there temp. or if I thought I might not like the company.. I THOUGHT I WAS IN BIG BLUE TROUBLE!LOL I wasnt. Two weeks after hired in.. I got a raise and promoted. The raise was healthy. .75 an hour healthy however the service desk about drove me nuts..lol! Back then their thing was, give refunds no matter what unless you can not find the item number to EVER be found in the book of walmarts merchandising history.. I had to take back a cracked coffee pot that was sooo stained and hadnt been in the system for 3 yrs once and that is just rediculous I dont care what anyone says..
Now its changed on that..

If you think that Wal Marts benefits arent packaged to par, pick on some of these grocery chains here.. that give employees just enough hours to make sure they dont qualify for benefits.. I worked at one of them too and I was treated way better at Walmart..


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spam4einstein


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  11:54:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We can have the best of both worlds. A Blue Ridge Walmart! My gut tells me that it will end up there, although Blairsville is a better location if your Walmart.


As for stores that would be devistated. Say goodbye to Sav-A-lot and maybe Ingles. I bet we loose at least one pharmacy. These next few would take a BIG hit.... craft store, Radio Shack, Alexanders, the mexican grocery, nail place, Ace, dollar general.

All would be hurt a bit as overall traffic downtown is lost. The biggest issue I have with it is over the long term. As we grow, so many future stores will never exist that would have. Who would open a sporting goods store, a grocery store, cosmetic store, and so forth if walmart is here.

Maybe some here dont understand economics, but the local owners of stores live here, so do the landlords and the money spent here stays here. This isnt the case with Walmart. This will make Blairsville a "less nice" place to live and overall hurt this town. How anyone can feel otherwise is beyond me.

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samantha_blue


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  12:50:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, I think otherwise!!! I don't think that Wal-mart would put these stores out of business, I DO however, think Wal-mart will make them look at their pricing and then maybe if they want to stay in business they will lower their prices and be somewhat competitive to Wal-mart or any other store for that matter.

As for Economics, I DO UNDERSTAND!! And if we want "economics" in our area to stay somewhat reasonable, we're gonna have to have a Large retailer in here to set a price standard. Otherwise, we're gonna keep getting ripped off left and right, and can you explain to me how that helps with economics?? It sure doesn't help my pocketbook! Blairsville is one of the highest priced areas for groceries, clothing, sporting goods, etc. Why does it have to be this way?? It doesn't!!! Bring it on Wal-mart WELCOME to Blairsville, maybe you can help get the prices down where they should be!!!!

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spam4einstein


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  1:26:56 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I dont know about that. Sav-a-lot is less expensive than Walmart. I think things are pretty in-expensive here overall. Having walmart 35min away has helped with that.

I dont know what economic nether-world you inhabit. Most retailers CAN'T compete with walmart on price...That is the basic problem with Walmart! Id rather pay a fraction more and have a functioning economic community. Keeping the money here helps us all, even if some people dont want to hear about it.

Id rather have a town that is a "place" rather than a row of junk and antique stores that "used to be the center of activity" If I wanted my downtown to be a row of stucco covered Styrofoam on a four lane I would have moved to any of the multitude of faceless suburbs of Atlanta. HAVE YOU BEEN TO DOWNTOWN & 515 in ELLIJAY RECENTLY???? Thats Blairsville in 10 years these folks have their way.

YUCK!

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samantha_blue


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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  1:42:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Welcome Wal-mart!!

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:04:30 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be very difficult for a mom and pop store to compete with Wal-Mart.

Wal-Mart buys products made in third-world countries where people make dirt to live on, and they buy in more bulk than any retail business on the planet, which drives the price down even further.

No one can compete with that.

One thing that would be very helpful to employees of Wal-Mart is if the minimum wage was raised. It has not been raised in ages and in fact the minimum wage in the 1960's was a lot higher when you factor in inflation.

On the issue of health insurance at Wal-Mart, didn't any of you see this secret Wal-Mart memo that was all over the news a while back?

Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/business/26walmart.ready.html?ex=1287979200&en=e9a0f5d466bb026e&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

You can click within the site to read the memo.

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mad4martinis

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:18:53 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oh wildflower, but it doesn't matter. They're saving money.


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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:21:25 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Samantha,

Although I don't agree with everything you said, you do have a point about the fact that so many mom and pop businesses don't offer health benefits at all. I know they can't remotely afford to either.

We are only two people in our business and we pay a fortune. And it keeps going up, even with a huge deductible.

The other problem with very small businesses is that the owners have a tendency to behave like dictators, even more than you find in large corporation (and that's saying something). I've been here since 2001 and out of the jobs I had before we started this business, I worked for one person in Blairsville, and one person in Franklin, NC who were both off their rockers. I was amazed at what they got away with in these small towns that you just would not see in a city. I think the isolation has a very bad effect on some small-town business owners. I even had an attorney in Robbinsville ask me at an interview about my money situation after my divorce. That's illegal.

I was floored.

However, Wal-Mart needs to do better. They say they support raising the minimum wage, but why do they need to wait for that to happen before they pay better?

As far as mom and pop stores closing, I believe some will and some won't.

There used to be a man in Murphy who ran a shoe repair business. He had been there forever. But it wasn't Wal-Mart who ran him out, it was the rising rent prices of downtown Murphy that did it. He couldn't afford it (unless he raised his prices).

I still would be happier with Target since at least they contribute to the school system and other things in whatever town they locate in.

Someone mentioned average income - there are plenty of people in both Towns and Union with the average income Target looks for.

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Wildflower

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:29:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
DoC,

In relation to what I'm saying . . . no wonder you feel Wal-Mart treated you better than the grocery store. There simply isn't a lot to choose from job-wise here, so people feel they have to put up with things that are not so acceptable in cities.

If Publix came to town, I don't know what Ingles would do. Ingles (in Hiawassee or Murphy) is a nice enough store, but there is no comparison. Publix is actually owned by it's employees and you can build a better financial future there.

Part of the divide on these issues between newcomers and natives is that we have completely different expectations of the workplace because our experiences have been so different.

We underestimate that. It was only working for some local businesses that showed me how different it can be.

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Wildflower

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:30:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Publix and Costco are two retail stores that do very well by their employees.

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coosa creek

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  5:59:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I learned a long time ago, that I don't need to buy so much "stuff" Maybe if we didn't revolve so much of our lives around shopping, it wouldn't matter what stores we have. I have been here a long time and I really don't want the area to change. I can make the trip to Murphy twice a year if I really need to.

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fawn

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  6:26:21 PM  Show Profile  Visit fawn's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Where I lived in FL, there is a WalMart, Publix, Radio Shack, pet store, furniture and accessories store, book store, clothing store, 2 restaurants, a dollar store, a Subway, travel agency, cigar store, and a jewelry store all in the same shopping center. They have all been in business there for a long time so I must assume they are doing well or they wouldn't be there.

If WalMart is built in our area, I will still go to Ace and the dollar store in my area. Why would the Mexican grocery close or Hoyt's? WalMart doesn't carry a huge selection of Mexican food products. Am I going to buy a refrigerator from WalMart or a new sofa? I don't think so. Look again at the downtown. We do have a cosmetics store...Merle Norman and the fishing store already. If Ingles closes, it will be because it is very poorly run. Downtowns survive only when they offer something unique and something the public needs. Hopefully, the revitalization committee will have some good ideas to inject some life into the downtown.

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GrayEagle

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  6:41:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit GrayEagle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
More fuel for thought.

Union county has a 1/2% sales tax added to every dollar spent in the county. I believe its title is SPLOT. Sorry, I don't remember what that stands for. This tax may be renewed by the voters each 5 years.

Now for my thought:
If Wal-Mart takes in an average of $400,000 in sales each week of the year, that amounts to 400,000 X 0.005 = $2,000.00 per week of added SPLOT or $104,000 per year. BTW, I think $400,000 in sales is low.

Is that all new income? No, some will come from other businesses who lose income because of Wal-Mart. But all the money that is going to other counties AND states will be staying in Union county.

What about other tax income that is generated? I'm not sure if the county as another/more sales tax, but if it does, that money may also increase.

I won't even get into those who need work and will have jobs....

BUT THIS ALL HINGES ON THE COMMISH NOT CUTTING A TAX DEAL WITH WAL-MART! That is a possibility that should be looked in to.

Oh well, that is my 1/2% of thought.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  8:39:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My life revolves around supporting my family and their needs be it under- garments or kids shoes! I am not retired and I have lived here all but a few months here and there but my main lived life and have chosen to stay because this is the best place on earth even tho we have waffle houses and all kinds of things now that we didnt have when I was very lil.. so I am for it coming here. I have no other business to spend money at in Murphy.

So for us who have wanted Wal Mart, it is economical to buy our ness. there and specially when we have not moved here to get away from Wal Mart.. we have had to do the long stretch long enough and now we deserve to have what everyone else in the world takes advantage of.. reasonable prices!


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nativelady

USA
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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  10:56:59 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Doc, You 'vorced in ....199??????? I forget! Ok, I talked with a Walmart employee today. This person was very happy with their job and benefits, and the comparison I got was, if you work at Ingles, you start at the bottom at first and work your way up, MEANING you dont get benefits right away. (Most companies are this way) and THEY said that, every one is treated well. Good benefits for those who will hold on and do right by their job. As far as all the mumbo jumbo on the internet, they are aware of all this and this person kind of 'smirked' and said, "Private business owners rob their help build every day. They don't pay their help, as well as they are getting paid, not even a tenth of it. And most don't even THINK of giving or offering benefits for their employees. And the internet info, can be Pro or Con on any company in the United States." So, I smiled and told them they had answered my questions well! And then she giggled and said, "Last meeting they had Union as their top priority for the BIGGEST one yet!" So we'll see...

Save Alot will never be shut down due to lack of business. It's for the "working family"...Ingles "might" hurt. And surely Bi-Lo will soon realize they're lying to their customers daily with their sign! I am all for Target or a Publix, but just don't see a Publix coming yet. Target (rumor has it) is speaking with a sweet lady right now on buying. So we'll see on that one too...

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nativelady

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Posted - 06/26/2006 :  10:58:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Oh! And Wildflower is I get any calmer, I would be a limp dishrag. No adrenaline pumping here on my side. LOL!

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