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Chris

USA
179 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  01:04:55 AM  Show Profile
If the city has any common sense (and I have my doubts), they'll push through legislation to allow its restaurants to have a pouring license. A tremendous percentage of the city's tax base is not going to stand idly by while chain restaurants open up in unincorporated areas and take away the city's patrons. If they refuse to open up the tap, then most of the restaurants will move out or close down, and downtown will surely become a ghost town.

I hope the usual suspects, those few churches vehemently against the mere mention of alcohol, don't round up a group of voters to shut this down. Otherwise, Blairsville is doomed economically.

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MountainThinker

USA
24 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  06:58:02 AM  Show Profile
I'll preface this by saying I plan to vote "yes" on both proposals, without the slightest hesitation. However, I am fairly confident that the liquor by the drink section will fail, and the beer and wine section will also probably fail, though I am less confident of that. The reason I say that is simple... In a public opinion poll, 70% of Union County wants both, but that's not a primary election voter pool. That vote will exclude all non-permanent residents, plus a strong majority of others. Voter turnout will be about 4,000 people, drawing heavily from church activated and senior citizen voters (2/3 to 3/4 of those voting). These voters will vote no on liquor to the tune of 90%, beer and wine by probably 70-75%. I'll put $10 on that if there's any takers... If I lose the bet, I'll buy you your first two rounds with a grin on my face!

Happy St. Patrick's Day to All!

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  10:49:53 AM  Show Profile
I don't think the downtown restaurants will move out of town. I f they allow brown bagging now, they will allow it then, so that solves the problem.

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Morning Coffee

USA
78 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  11:08:59 AM  Show Profile
Since reading this forum and reading your thoughts about liquor being sold in Union County, I've been asking my friends who are born-and-raised in Blairsville their feelings about the issue. Not one person I've spoken to is in favor of alcohol being sold. Church leaders are encouraging their congregations to 'get out and vote' against the bill. I hope they (we) are successful defeating it.

You see, Lamar Paris, is the only commissioner who has been willing to leave it up to the voters. Not a popular man!

The question remains:
-Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?
-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?
-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from?

Changing the laws to suit your needs only alienates newcomers from the local people more. It is no wonder many of the "locals" resent your presence.

The local people I'm acquainted with work very hard serving you, but many also have second jobs to make ends meet. I've met some of the hardest working people since I've lived here. All who have been so helpful in my transition to Blairsville.

I've encountered 'outsiders' who are the most obnoxious people who think they know it all about living in the mountains, give unsolicited advice, people who are rude, pushy, inconsiderate, complainers with major entitlement issues. I don't see many contributing to the community, unless they can earn money doing so.

I will vote against liquor sales and help fight the proposed liquor sales out of respect for the community.

If this forum represents 'newcomers' I'm sad.


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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  11:20:33 AM  Show Profile
quote:

Since reading this forum and reading your thoughts about liquor being sold in Union County, I've been asking my friends who are born-and-raised in Blairsville their feelings about the issue. Not one person I've spoken to is in favor of alcohol being sold. Church leaders are encouraging their congregations to 'get out and vote' against the bill. I hope they (we) are successful defeating it.

You see, Lamar Paris, is the only commissioner who has been willing to leave it up to the voters. Not a popular man!

The question remains:
-Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?
-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?
-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from?

Changing the laws to suit your needs only alienates newcomers from the local people more. It is no wonder many of the "locals" resent your presence.

The local people I'm acquainted with work very hard serving you, but many also have second jobs to make ends meet. I've met some of the hardest working people since I've lived here. All who have been so helpful in my transition to Blairsville.

I've encountered 'outsiders' who are the most obnoxious people who think they know it all about living in the mountains, give unsolicited advice, people who are rude, pushy, inconsiderate, complainers with major entitlement issues. I don't see many contributing to the community, unless they can earn money doing so.

I will vote against liquor sales and help fight the proposed liquor sales out of respect for the community.

If this forum represents 'newcomers' I'm sad.




I dont know WHO the locals are that youre talking too but I bet Ive seen a few in Hiawassee or Murphy in my lifetime and Im local too.

I dont know where you get the facts that Lamar isnt popular, that is not a fact as he was VOTED IN.

I dont know whos church youve been going too to get those facts either but the one Ive been going to hasnt yet damned anyone or discriminated nor have they offered up a brewsky by the way but they sure have been loving and caring.

I find your post really abnoxious but then again I can be quite the same way too.

Are you a local? If you are, then can you blame the new locals for saying we discriminate?

Im sorry but I dont agree with your methods to thow out the booze. Doesnt mean my feelings about that post mean much of anything.

Ive seen the ones who cried they didnt want wal mart, at a wal mart.
Ive seen people who shunned drinking at Andrews or somewheres buying booze before too.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi
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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  11:32:17 AM  Show Profile
No one moved here to change anything, at least I didn't. I have been driving to murphy to buy liquor for 22 years and I will continue to do so. If you would like to meet my workers who were born here and lived here all there lives, I will give you directions to a place called the End of the Pavement. My workers, spend, on an adverage, $500 a month on beer. They usually drive to Andrew, N.C. to buy a pick up load once a week.

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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  11:41:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage
quote:
Not one person I've spoken to is in favor of alcohol being sold.

Hmmm...interesting. Everyone I've talked to has been in favor of the measure. Perhaps there is something behind that "Birds of a feather flock together" quote after all.


quote:
Lamar Paris, is the only commissioner who has been willing to leave it up to the voters.

Oh my goodness! A commissioner that supports democracy! Why exactly would some voters be unhappy about that? Unless they're scared that the voters' decision will finally be known and the decision won't end up to their liking?

You're trying to characterize this as a locals versus outsider battle, and I don't think the battle lines are anywhere near as coherent as you're trying to make them out to be.

I'm for growth in Blairsville. I'm voting yes for both measures and will help support the referendum within our community.

Shadow

This is my kirttimukha

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puddin pop

USA
4628 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  12:00:05 PM  Show Profile
I was born here and lived here all my life. I will be voting yes.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  12:23:48 PM  Show Profile
MC, are you with the same "flock goers" at a certain church where they've already held meetings on this issue (how absurd), and someone said they would donate $10,000 for a billboard urging people to vote against this?? If so, why don't you take that $10,000 and give it to families who are LOCALS (since you seem to like them more) who have no shoes or food for their kids, who are barely scrapping by to make rent or their mortgage payments?

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MindCrime

USA
77 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  12:38:08 PM  Show Profile
So I was wondering why the "flock" was so against it, maybe it is because it will be easier for some of them to get caught taking a drink?

like my mom buys lotto tickets, but her preacher caught her in a store buying them, so i have to buy them for her now

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
-Groucho Marx


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Morning Coffee

USA
78 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  12:57:56 PM  Show Profile
M4M said: (since you seem to like them more)

Actually, I do like them more. I'm pleased to say I'm not one of the Florida crowd. What I contribute to the community is my business.

I'm not going to defend my stand, nor am I validating ridiculous, inaccurate, knee jerk accusations. Most of the comments following my post continue to show your narrow-minded stance. None of the three questions I asked were answered. Why is that? I asked intelligent questions and they were ignored and replaced with more of the same rhetoric I've read before.

I moved here to get away from development and commercialism. When I feel the need for a cocktail or big city life, it's only a short drive south, north, east or west. I prefer keeping life simple ... and people say that is why they decided to live in the mountains.

Again, why did you chose to live in Blairsville, rather than a place that meets your needs?

My vote remains NO on liquor sales! I will spend time and resources to fight it.

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William R. Jenkins

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:02:10 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage
What an intertaining number of postings.From the amount of beer bottles and cans I see on our roads.I have concluded that there will be no problem in the results,in favor of the sales. Shadowmans opinion suits mine completely.I am not A drinker, unless I can obtain german or Austrian beer.This is A political issue, also, I think the preachers,pastors ETC should obstain from the issue. They could learn that matching funds are available. Wuilliam R. Jenkins Realist and famous beer drinker.

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:10:14 PM  Show Profile
Morning coffee, I thought I did answer your questions. I moved to this area because I loved it. I lived out in Dial (fannin county) I could buy beer and wine in Blue Ridge but it was still a 30 mile drive round trip. I made the trip to buy liquor in Murphy and still do. I have not asked for or wanted in change in this area.
But if it happens, it happens.
I moved a few miles away from Dial to Blairsville because most of the homes my husband builds, are in Blairsville.
I am happy to see that there are a few more places to eat here than there was 22 years ago, because I love going out to eat. But as we get a little older, we don't like driving too far at night.
I am not a shopper, so it doesn't bother me at all that we have few stores here. I can get what I need twice a year at Wal mart.

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Lake Runner

USA
305 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:15:59 PM  Show Profile
Morning Coffee,

I will give you my answers to your three questions. These are mine alone and may or may not reflect the opinions of others.

Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?

I moved to Blairsville because of the beauty of the mountains and the lake. The fact that it was dry had no bearing on my decision. If it stays dry, I will stay. I would prefer that I could have a drink with dinner. But that is not high enough on my list to make me move out.

-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?

I am willing to do without some of the conveniences to be able to live in a place like Blairsville. However, if asked if I would like some of these conveniences, I will say yes.

-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from?

I did not move there to get away from nice restaurants. I moved there because I love the lake and the mountains. If there had been nicer restaurants when I first bought a place, I may have been even more willing to move there. I never said I wanted to get away from things like nice dining.

Now, I do think that uncontrolled growth is not good. But that is a different topic. I am going to keep my comments to the alcohol by the glass question.


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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:19:48 PM  Show Profile
quote:

The question remains:
-Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?
-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?
-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from?


Im local too.

Ive moved but like you I like it here, I think the Locals deserve better than what theyve been dealt with as far as adding something to the taxations instead & adding personal taxations. Shader can help be better specify what I mean cause I think weve hit this up over and over until it should be a known what I mean.

Why should I have to move to suit your needs? Im LOCAL.


I didnt come here to get away. Ive been here. Ive seen my family plus many struggle to stay here and done without luxury long enough.
Apparently you havent a clue as to the needs of the people or what they want. Its beyond alcohol by the drink.

As for your boon docks theory.. even Nell was found! It didnt hurt her either.

Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi

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Where there is hatred, let me sow love. Where there is injury, pardon. Where there is doubt, faith.

Saint Francis of Assisi


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ShadowMan

USA
4158 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:23:18 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage
Mr. Jenkins, Bacchus over in Hiawassee has beers from all over the world. I enjoyed a "Trip around the world with beer" evening a few months back with a good friend who is also a beer afficiando. They ranged from England to India, with spots in between. Check out their store if you haven't already.

Oops...sorry for the sidebar.

Shadow

This is my kirttimukha

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Morning Coffee

USA
78 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:45:07 PM  Show Profile
quote:

What an intertaining number of postings.From the amount of beer bottles and cans I see on our roads.I have concluded that there will be no problem in the results,in favor of the sales. Shadowmans opinion suits mine completely.I am not A drinker, unless I can obtain german or Austrian beer.This is A political issue, also, I think the preachers,pastors ETC should obstain from the issue. They could learn that matching funds are available. Wuilliam R. Jenkins Realist and famous beer drinker.

William R.Jenkins


Mr. Jenkins...altho, I disagree with you religiously, I find your comments very intelligent. But, to tease you mind a little, what makes you believe those beer cans are from only residents of this county? Don't let the litter deceive you. I, too, enjoy good quality beer from places around the world ... and, like you, I know where to go.

I find restaurants in "Chat" TN...Asheville, Helen, places north of Atlanta and Atlanta proper to be fascinating. Two hours in any direction there many delightful places to visit.

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nativelady

USA
11126 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:45:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage
I am a local. Born bred and raised here. I was going to keep my mouth shut on this but something kind of pricks at my heart, telling me to make my stand or my comment. I know I once said that I felt it was to each's own. I also felt like I really didn't have much of a say so in this due to the fact I am not a drinker nor a social drinker even. Well something was said to me the other day that made me realize that it's not what I believe, it's what is written in my Bible and also my Church Covenant at my home church. So if I vote "Yes" then I would be a hypocrit in what I stand for.

And that's all I am going to say about that....

Once again, I once thought it was "ok" but when I pretty much read through some things, studied and then read my Convenant to the church I did join I knew beyond a doubt I would be doing wrong in voting "Yes".....

It has NOTHING to do with DUI's. It has nothing to do with car accidents. It has to do with my beliefs.

So my vote would be "No"

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MindCrime

USA
77 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:45:57 PM  Show Profile
Anyone see the ad in the NGN about turning your basement into a bar?

HMMMMM gives me an idea for a side business...doc can you mix drinks?

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
-Groucho Marx
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Morning Coffee

USA
78 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:49:32 PM  Show Profile
quote:

Morning Coffee,

I will give you my answers to your three questions. These are mine alone and may or may not reflect the opinions of others.

Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?

I moved to Blairsville because of the beauty of the mountains and the lake. The fact that it was dry had no bearing on my decision. If it stays dry, I will stay. I would prefer that I could have a drink with dinner. But that is not high enough on my list to make me move out.

-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?

I am willing to do without some of the conveniences to be able to live in a place like Blairsville. However, if asked if I would like some of these conveniences, I will say yes.

-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from?

I did not move there to get away from nice restaurants. I moved there because I love the lake and the mountains. If there had been nicer restaurants when I first bought a place, I may have been even more willing to move there. I never said I wanted to get away from things like nice dining.

Now, I do think that uncontrolled growth is not good. But that is a different topic. I am going to keep my comments to the alcohol by the glass question.


We can't change the wind, but we can adjust our sails


Lake Runner...your last statement is another topic that is worth discussing. I'm appalled by what you refer to as "uncontrolled growth." I'm still addressing the mentality of individuals that destroy a mountain top to build their homes. Willing to discuss more..start a new topic. I'm from a contractor family and have much input on the subject.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
29728 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:51:00 PM  Show Profile
Hmm.. of course I can. I still have my book for back up reference too. :) Hey, just let me know when and what time! tee hee


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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  1:52:18 PM  Show Profile
"Quote"The question remains:
-Why did you decide to live in Blairsville knowing this is a 'dry' county?
-Why didn't you relocate to an area where you had the conveniences already in existence?
-Why do you insist on new restaurants, shopping centers and all the things you moved here to get away from? "Quote"

These are pretty ignorant questions if I may say. Alcohol sales, dry or wet had absolutely NOTHING to do with why we moved here. It wouldn't at all. Alcohol isn't a reason that someone would decide or not decide to move into a town.
I personally like brown bagging. I don't like the markup restaurants place on their drinks.
Would I like to see more revenue for this county? You betcha I would. I don't like or support 'big box' stores in small towns, but I do support businesses in this area.
Did I move to "get away" from all that? No, I didn't. Would I enjoy a Longhorn Steakhouse here, rather than driving to Ellijay? Yep, I would.

Lamar Paris leaving it up to the public to vote? AMEN! He's a smart man in doing so too. He knows how to work both sides of the fence, so kudo's to him!


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William R. Jenkins

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  2:15:26 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage
Coffee and Shadow. I don't disagree with anyone's religion. Sometimes I have wanted to be A christian I am sure you know what Karl Marx's said about religion and the massess. I have thought of the same as your question.I would be a complete idiot if I would blame all of the litter on locals .However this may be of vaLUE .i HAVE FELT ,AND HOPED THAT THE PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS HOVE VISITED THIS AREA TO APPRECIATE WHAT IS OFFERED AND NOT LITTER. Shadow I know Rainer the owner of said operation,had several interesting chats with him.I think the law forbids that beer of a certain percentage is not allowable in the USA for commercial sales. In other words real german beer is not allow here.I am having some brought to me this Sunday.prosit. this beer is to your health and mine. William R. Jenkins Realist ,famous beer drinker.

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  2:20:17 PM  Show Profile
Mr. Jenkins, guess what?! GA now does allow higher % beers, so those German beers are now allowed for sales. Rainer has an abundance of them. I think the % allowed in Ga is up to 10%. (no time to check the wwww) But,you can enjoy your German Brews now!

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William R. Jenkins

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 03/17/2006 :  3:13:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit William R. Jenkins's Homepage
Martini, Thanks,I needed that. Tanks for the info. <i'll be right back. William R. Jenkins Realist and home bound beer drinker

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