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ShadowMan

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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  9:54:35 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage
Honoria, why are you shouting?

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Can anyone discuss the issue of the vote regarding purchasing alcohol by the drink at restaurants willing to fork over $15,000 to the County without including religion or Christianity in their response?

And what does this question mean?

If you read back a bit into the topic, you'll see there's been a number of eloquent posts that have stayed very much outside the realm of religion.

Frankly, I think people are a bit argued out. It seems every point has been addressed in the 28 pages of posts already recorded here.

Shadow

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nativelady

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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  10:46:57 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage
Evidentally, Honoria has just got on the boat. As Shadow said, there have been MANY posts without religion involved. Again, I am just me. Not trying to be anyone but me. Nor do I try to draw attention to myself with COLOR or anything else. Actually, I kind of searched within my heart, and actually thought WHY or wondered WHY I will vote No, the answer wasn't there. My answer was the one who just left with his girlfriend, the other answer was the one who just got his license and went up the street, and theother answer was the one who left to drive to Hiawassee to see some friends. So basically, mine is based on Moral beliefs, Religious beliefs, Family values, and to be quite honest, To keep Blairsville just as it always has been. Dry! So with all that said, I have wore out my responses.

But I would still love to get ahold of the one who bought the case of beer for six 16 year old boys last night. Luckily, they got caught speeding before the "party" started. So, I am sorry if I frown down to alcohol. They each got a smack on the hand and sent home. No one charged. Whether it's voted in or not, alcohol will always be the root of many problems. And yes, I am sure that some believe if we bring it here it will help keep the DUI's down. I don't think of it that way. That's like saying if we legalize marijuania then we wouldnt have so many arrests. Thats making a problem to solve a problem. Marijuania is a weed. Herb. Whatever you want to call it. And I imagine God created it. Do we use it "legally" since God created it? Nothing is spoken of marijuania in the Bible, so I am assuming it's ok to smoke it. Right? Case closed!

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Admin

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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:04:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage
Discussing marijuana is a hijack of the topic at hand and won't be allowed in this particular discussion. You're free to create another topic for discussing legalization of marijuana or any other drug.

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daughterofconfederate

USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:15:56 PM  Show Profile
WELL LADY, YOUR POST MADE MORE SENCE THAN ANY OF THE ONES IVE READ HERE SINCE THE FIRST PAGE.. REGARDLESS HOW MUCH PEOPLE WANNA PICK A REPLY TO DEATH.

I REMEMBER GOING TO FLORIDA WITH MY FRIEND APRIL AND WE WENT TO BENNIGANS WITH ANOTHER FRIEND AND HE WAS OF AGE AND WE WERE 15. WE ORDERED AND GOT SERVED.. AND ORDERED AND GOT SERVED.. SEE THE ALCOHOL WAS NOTHING NEW TO THE RESTR. OR THE TOWN OR WHATEVER... IT WAS A VERY RELAXED NON CHALANT WOULD YOU LIKE ANOTHER WHEN THE WAITER RETURNED TO THE TABLE.. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AS WELL AS ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THE CATCHING UP TO THE 21ST CENTURY.. HOWEVER, THOSE WHO DONT WANT OUR TOWN TO GROW, ARE VOTING YES.. AND WHILE I HAVE WORN OUT THE FACT THAT I AM VOTING YES, I ALSO WANT GROWTH. I DONT WANT MY KIDS TO SETTLE FOR ANYTHING OR MOVE OFF TO HAVE ANYTHING.. IF THEY DONT WANT TO LIVE IN A RENTAL RUN DOWN TRAILOR BECAUSE THEY ONLY MAKE X AMOUNT.. .. THEY WILL NEED MORE JOBS THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW, AND NO THE RESTRS. WONT BRING IN THE MONEY BUT IT WILL OPEN IT UP TO OTHER BUSINESSES AS SO HAS ANYWHERE ELSE.. MORALS MEAN SO MUCH AND I HOPE IF IT IS PAST THAT I TEACH MY CHILDREN MORALS AND SEEING THE WAY MY DAD IS WITH ALCOHOL AND MY MOMS DRUG DEPENDANCY GROWING UP.. HAS BEEN A PLAIN PICTURE.. AND THO I MAY HAVE EXPERIMENTED TO SEE WHERE IN THE WORLD THEY GET THE IDEA THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS OR THAT... I SAW THAT ITS PLAIN STUPID AND A LOSS FOR TIME, ENERGY AND BRAINS TO DEPEND ON SOMETHING TO FUNCTION A CERTAIN WAY.. YEAH ILL SIP ON A GLASS OF THIS OR THAT MAYBE THREE TIMES A YEAR.. IF THAT.. IVE LEARNED TO MAINTAIN..
I AINT GONNA LIE SO THERE, I HAVE HAD TWO DRINKS THIS YEAR AND A SHOT OF APPLE BRANDY? SO I BEST GET TO SETTING A BETTER EXAMPLE AND NOT LET MY KIDS THINK ITS COOL CAUSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES START OUT THINKIN ITS COOL, SOME DO IT TO SELF MEDICATE.. SLOW DOWN AND UNWIND.. SOME DO IT TO TRY TO BE HAPPY GO LUCKY AND SOME DO IT TO RUNAWAY.. BUT I THINK MOST THAT SIP, NOT ACTUALLY DOWN A BOTTLE.. DO IT TO SLOW DOWN AND UNWIND.. IF THIS COMES ABOUT THAT WE GET THIS HERE.. PARENTAL GUIDENCE IS THE BEST WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO. CHILDREN LEARN WHAT THEY LIVE.. BUT ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME, AND WHAT IVE ENDURED MYSELF.. CAN TELL YOU, I DIDNT FALL INTO THAT CATAGORY OF "SHE DIDNT STAND A CHANCE" AFTER ALL. I SAW MY KIN DRINK AND MAKE MORONS OUT OF THEMSELVES.. IM SORRY BUT IVE DONE IT IN MY PAST TOO AND NOW I KNOW THAT IT WASNT THAT THEY WERE BORN THAT WAY, SOMETIMES CHEMICALS DONT SUIT A BRAINS CHEMICALS... RIGHT.. I PRAY FOR THE CHILDREN WHO HAVE TO BE AROUND THAT STUFF ALL THE TIME.. I DIDNT HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT TILL I WAS A BIT OLDER BUT ITS HELL FOR A TEEN TO HAVE TO BE THE GROWN UPS AND TAKE CARE OF THE DEPENDANT.. LIL KIDS ... IT IS SCARY.. BUT THE ALCOHOL IS ALREADY IN THE HOMES... BEING AT A RESTR., YES I HOPE THE COPS ARE ON TOP OF THINGS AND GONNA BE WATCHING FOR DRUNKS DRIVING OUT ON THE ROADS MORESO... YEAH AND I HOPE THEY DONT JUST STOP THE SUSPICIOUS CARS.. BUT THE ONES THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULDNT... SO YEAH/ BRING IT ON TO THE RESTRS. WHERE THEY CAN SERVE IT AND MAINTAIN IT THERE AND MORE OF A CHANCE GETTIN COUGHT I GUESS?? THAN FOR IT TO BE CONCEALED MORESO.. AND OUT THERE IN THE GAS STATIONS WHERE SO AND SO HAS A FRIEND WHO WILL SELL IT TO SOO AND SOO CAUSE ITS COOL AND SHHH, THEY DONT ID! GET THE PICTURE?


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Honoria

USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:21:06 PM  Show Profile
Mr. Honoria, Do you not think that those of us who do not want alcohol sales believe that those who DO are the ones described as you say "believe that people who are weak and who cannot control themselves are the types of people who want to shove their "rules" down others' throats".

This county has done well all these years with out alcohol sales and many other ideas that have been forced upon us in the past few years.

As for the Bible, If I doesn't mean what it says it's not worth the paper it's written on.

My point was that usually people who can't handle the real truth want to force their version of it on everyone else. If it's okay to have a drink in a neighboring County, what makes Union County so special that it should be forbidden here and the County lose the revenue?

No one is forcing you to drink. You still have the choice not to do so. But the rest of us would like to have the choice to drink.

The Bible means everything it says and then some. It's not the paper that's the Bible, it's the one who has read and inwardly digested the words of the Bible who is the living Bible among men.

If I were in your Church hall at a banquet, I would not pull out a brown bag and pour myself a drink if your Church preached against drinking. That's what Saint Paul was alluding to in his admonition not to drink or eat anything which could cause a fellow believer to stumble in his faith. ALL things are created by God and God saw that they are good. But doing something I am free to do among new Christians or those who have a different understanding of the scriptures, which might cause them to lose their faith, would be a sin.

Now someone's going to jump on the "once saved always saved" bandwagon. Because you're not dead yet and I'm not dead yet, neither of us can say unequivocally that the phrase is true. We may sincerely believe it's true, but we could be sincerely wrong in that belief. Saint Paul clearly states in Philippians 2:12b "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Note the word "work" and not the word "believe" or "have faith" or any other inactive verb. If you'll do a word search, you'll see that "work" means the activity of work, not some other non-active type work, such as 'thinking hard.' There is no one who knows exactly what happens to a person when they die. I cannot say that "so-n-so" is going to hell because he says he's a Christian but he drinks. THAT is judging. I really can't say that at the last moment before death, some non-Christian who has been exposed to Christianity (just by being alive in the World today) hasn't begged God's forgiveness and professed his faith in Jesus Christ. Al Zarqawi turned his head and said something right before he died. Have you considered that he could have said "Jesus is Lord, oh, God forgive me"? That's what it means by not judging. That's what it means by forgiving each other and that love covers a multitude of sins (both MY sins and your sins).

Are you praying for those who don't know Jesus Christ as their Savior? Do you daily take time to offer to God a prayer for those who are unable to hear about the saving grace of Jesus Christ, that God in his goodness will forgive them and give them the opportunity to know Him? Do you pray specifically for all missionaries in all Countries? For their protection and for the protection of their families? Do you pray that God will open the floodgates of heaven and send his angel warriors to fight the unbelief in the Middle East and elsewhere? Do you pray specifically, by name, for the Presidents/Kings/Princes/Queens of other Countries? Do you pray for our President? Do you pray for Charles Jenkins, Chip Pearson, Nancy Shaffer, Charlie Norwood, Saxby Chambliss, Johnny Isakson, Sonny James? Do you pray for God to give you the strength of will to be His witness by your life?

I've seen the power of prayer. God is waiting for you and you and you and you and you and you to spend time in fervent effectual prayer -- which means you gotta be righteous before you pray. (James 5:16)

Now I have a serious question: Why have no Churches come together and taken a strong stand in Union County and used the Motto "Taking a County for God?" Why is there so much infighting over the color of the hymnbooks and so little fighting of Satan and his minions here in Union County?

What is hindering Union County Churches from taking a strong stand for godliness and God? (And I'm not talking denominations, I'm talking Christianity, following the will of God, living a life dedicated to God.)

More wine and bread for thought?
Honoria
and it's Miss not Mr.


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Honoria

USA
50 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:28:27 PM  Show Profile
Honoria, why are you shouting?

Not shouting, just trying to get you attention.

Did I?

Can anyone discuss the issue of the vote regarding purchasing alcohol by the drink at restaurants willing to fork over $15,000 to the County without including religion or Christianity in their response?

Exactly what it says. Is there a voice that can discuss alcohol and the drinking there of without bringing religion into the discussion?

Is everyone's decision about alcohol based on religion?

Honoria
Who was here under another name a long time ago, thank you.


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daughterofconfederate

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29728 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:36:12 PM  Show Profile
You mentioned God and religion moreso than Lady or I did in the last posts replied..???


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ShadowMan

USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:36:46 PM  Show Profile  Visit ShadowMan's Homepage
quote:
"Exactly what it says. Is there a voice that can discuss alcohol and the drinking there of without bringing religion into the discussion?

Is everyone's decision about alcohol based on religion?"


You missed the next sentence that I wrote. So I'll color it up and highlight it and bold it to see if it gets your attention this time:

"If you read back a bit into the topic, you'll see there's been a number of eloquent posts that have stayed very much outside the realm of religion."

Did it work that time?

Shadow

This is my kirttimukha

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GrayEagle

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Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:42:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit GrayEagle's Homepage
Shadow, you missed re-typing it in all caps!

GrayEagle
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Honoria

USA
50 Posts

Posted - 07/15/2006 :  11:45:36 PM  Show Profile
But I would still love to get ahold of the one who bought the case of beer for six 16 year old boys last night. Luckily, they got caught speeding before the "party" started.

Native Lady, I agree with you on this issue. If I found out who bought the beer for the underage drinkers, I'd be right behind you waiting my turn to give that person a good old fashioned talking to.

I do not believe in under age drinking that is not monitored by responsible parents. Unfortunately there are a lot of irresponsible parents who avert their eyes to the harm that irresponsible use of alcohol brings to their families and to the families of those their children harm when drunk.

It's sad to say that there are too many "connected" families in this County who can get away with murder (actually, not as a metaphor).

Do you think we could bring back the "stocks" for those who are in possession of alcohol (or illegal substances) when the police/deputies pull them over or arrest them for being "falling down drunk" pedestrians?

The "problem" with the issue of alcohol is that people are still going to find a way to get a drink whether they can pay $4 for one drink (which would cut into their cigarette money) or $4 for a six-pack or a fifth of wine.

Voting NO or YES will not stop alcoholism in Union County.

Besides, I know there are families in this County who made money during prohibition by running alcohol down to Atlanta. I wonder where they made their hootch.

Honoria
who was here when this dotcom originated under another assumed name

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Wildflower

USA
4528 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  12:13:55 AM  Show Profile
Wow. I go away for a few hours and come back to a tempest!

The thing that bugs me most about this issue, is that the "Vote No" group doesn't seem to separate "Alcoholism" from "Having a drink with dinner".

I believe the money donated would have been better spent on programs for actual alcoholics, instead of trying to stop everyone else from taking a drink.

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Honoria

USA
50 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  12:16:14 AM  Show Profile
Did it work that time?

Yup, I skimmed and entered the conversation late.

Didn't even intend to post here at all.

It's getting hot and heavy right now because Tuesday is coming and decisions have to be made.

Healthwise: You got your alcohol in your Geritol liquid and your cough syrup. Doctors say a glass of red wine with a meal or before bedtime is good for you the older you get. But we also know that over use of anything, including alcohol, is not healthy. Liver gets hard, kidneys have trouble functioning, some medications tell you to avoid alcohol.

Moneywise: It's cheaper to buy a fifth of wine or a six-pack of beer than it is to buy a drink by the glass at a restaurant. It might be better for a person to spend that $4 on one glass than to buy the entire bottle/pack, drive down the highway drinking it and tossing the empties out the window. (I really detest those who litter.)

Familywise: The unwise use of alcohol has broken up many a family. It's also caused people to claim to lose control and beat their spouses and children. It's caused mothers to weep at roadside crosses and fathers to prematurely age for having lost a child. It's caused spouses to have to beg for money to pay the bills because the other spouse has drunk up the rent or mortgage money. It's used in some families during religous rituals and is considered sacred and binds a family together as a child ages and is allowed a sip of wine at a festive meal.

Alcohol is not the culprit here. It's just a thing. Inanimate as it sits in a bottle or glass or mug or goblet. It's what happens after that first sip that decides if drinking it was "good" or "not good." If you have a proclivity to alcoholism -- if you're allergic to alcohol -- then whether it's "legal" or not, you're putting your body in danger if you drink. So for you, drinking alcoholic beverages is unhealthy.

But alcohol is going to be here forever, legally or not. Voting NO will not stop teens from thinking it's 'cool' to drink. Voting NO will not stop wife-beating by drunken husbands. Voting NO will not stop people from drinking alcohol in restaurants (they'll brown bag). Voting YES may mean no more brown bagging. Voting YES will bring in revenue to the County. Voting YES could be helpful to the UCDA trying to attract businesses to Union County.

But it's all in the Voters hands come Tuesday (unless you voted early).

Honoria


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daughterofconfederate

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29728 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  12:23:34 AM  Show Profile
quote:

Wow. I go away for a few hours and come back to a tempest!

The thing that bugs me most about this issue, is that the "Vote No" group doesn't seem to separate "Alcoholism" from "Having a drink with dinner".

I believe the money donated would have been better spent on programs for actual alcoholics, instead of trying to stop everyone else from taking a drink.

Wildflower


A very good point.. very well made by ya! :)


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mad4martinis

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  01:32:55 AM  Show Profile
Hey Honoria, do you need a red sign?

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Wildflower

USA
4528 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  03:32:20 AM  Show Profile
Thanks DoC,

Yes, I think I've summed it up, if I do say so myself.

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coosa creek

USA
39313 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  11:01:53 AM  Show Profile
Just two more days. I hope the lines at the polls aren't too long!

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MiddleAgeCrazy

USA
1435 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  11:30:14 AM  Show Profile
I would laugh if someone walked in Monday and served a writ of mandus on Lamar and force the license to be issued. You can do that you know?

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mad4martinis

USA
13730 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  12:21:22 PM  Show Profile
And, how does one do this???

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coosa creek

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  3:22:34 PM  Show Profile
Obviously, Mac knows how!!

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MiddleAgeCrazy

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  4:07:54 PM  Show Profile
An elected official can be forced to comply with carrying out his/her lawful duties, if they for some reason refuse. A person, group or who ever can obtain a writ of mandamus and compel that elected official to comply or face removal from office.

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mad4martinis

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13730 Posts

Posted - 07/16/2006 :  4:35:17 PM  Show Profile
how long does it take? Can I do one in the next 24 hrs? Do I need an attorney? I know one!!!

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coosa creek

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  4:40:50 PM  Show Profile
Go Maddy!!!

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nativelady

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  4:55:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage
Writ of mandamus is used many times, especially with Drunk Driving and Mothers Against Drunk Driving ....Google it! You'll find it!

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Wildflower

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  5:07:21 PM  Show Profile
I was reflecting a little on this issue today during a trip to Blairsville on an errand. I suppose passing all the churches prompted these thoughts.

It occurred to me that I was brought up in the Southern Baptist Church in Miami, FL in the 1960's and 1970's. There was a subtle influence that the congregation didn't drink at gatherings at church or in homes when we were together, but it wasn't an overt subject. I have no clue what people did in private.

Yet, we never had a single sermon on the "evils of alcohol". It was a non-issue. No one ever came out and said anything about it one way or the other. And I never heard of anyone having a problem with it.

It just struck me that it wasn't an issue in our church in the 1960's and 1970's, but it's a gigantic issue here in 2006!

I moved to Dallas, TX in 1984. Although alcohol was legal, they had "Blue Laws". If you went to a restaurant and wanted a drink, you had to buy a "membership" for a small fee.

I was floored. Everyone told me it was the Southern Baptists in Dallas that were behind the laws.

Malls had to be closed on Sundays and they had a crazy law that any object that could be purchased at a mall, could not be purchased anywhere on a Sunday.

I remember a girl from New York who told me all about her introduction to the Blue Laws. She was at a nightclub on a Saturday night and got a run in her hose. So she drove to a 7-11 convenience store to buy a pair, intending to put them on and return to her evening. She was shocked when the clerk told her he couldn't sell them to her because it was something that could be sold at a mall, and malls were closed on Sundays. They had a whole list of items under this category.

I remember calling my mother at the time to tell her about it. When I told her the Southern Baptists were behind it all, she was amazed. She thought it was the dumbest thing she ever heard.

We just could not relate, because the Southern Baptists in Miami never dreamt of such things.

Odd.

All those laws were repealed a few years later because more and more people decided it was so stupid.


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nativelady

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Posted - 07/16/2006 :  6:14:28 PM  Show Profile  Visit nativelady's Homepage
Wildflower, I am so sorry that you had such a bad experience or whatever you had in your life with the Southern Baptist or whatever type of religion belief you had growing up. But from the very beginning of this whole "topic" you have really came down on Baptists'. Some have talked about all the hyprocrites in churches (That's where they need to be) Others want to say How Jesus done this or that with a miracle, and then there are those who are pretty much honest with themselves and what they believe on the inside (meaning heart) and what priorities they look at in life and then there is conviction, which some use as a way tomake choices in life ( I do that) and then we have the ones who dont care either way.

I think it's very petty, piety, whatever word you want to use, and I am sure someone might "Edit" that correct word. But I find it to be "whatever" the word is, to BLAME a Southern Baptist for anything. Majority Rules? Right? So could it be that, somewhere along this path of life, things just aren't what they were when you were growing up? I know I never heard it preached when I was growing up either. Because it wasn't too much of an issue at hand. Others like to talk about the moonshiners and such. Yes, that was a way of life for some, of you who moved here 30 some odd years ago or 20 something, but for the majority, Have any of you, ever sat down with a lady who was over 100 years old and still had her mind and let her tell you how Blairsville once was, and then for her to see it the way it became in the 2000's? I had that priviledge many times, many years. She has since when on to be with the Lord. But she was also of the Baptist faith, and she would always say that alcohol was to be used medicinally, and not to consume for pleasure and to obstain. I wonder where she got that from her 100+ years of age? Most of the older natives here in Blairsville don't even touch the stuff. I only knew of two people growing up who even drank beer, and we didn't go around them much. Because they didn't just drink it with a meal! LOL! Oh me! The saga goes on and on...July 18th will be interesting to see what happens. I am still thinking it's a 50/50 deal. It will be close.

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